Addiscombe race tactics

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Addiscombe race tactics

Postby kieran » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:58 am

Just wondering if, assuming we get a few turning up for a race, we should try and work out some tactics to get an ACC win :D or placing in races? Noticed on some other club forums discussions on tactics and I think we all can see that some clubs do deploy various tactics to get their club some points. As far as I know we don't, (except, do the Hillington guys do this :?: ) for example last week at Eastway we had Toks and Marek (and me) both strong riders but to me it seemed that we had no plan (maybe they did I don't know) what with Marek going off on his own and the same with Toks. We still seem to ride as if each of us is the only club member there, maybe it often is, but more are trying racing and hopefully next year the momentum can be kept up?
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Postby siwickm » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:27 pm

Kieran it often depends on how the race is going and what people are feeling like. In most crits it is almost impossible to play tactics unless you have at least four reasonably strong riders who are all having a good day. With crits they tend to be flat and lots of riders find it easy to stay in the pack and do a turn on the front, therefore it is harder to put off a chase by the peleton.

Now when it comes to proper road racing with hills and corners and the like then tactics can play a much bigger part. I have seen London Dynamo kill a peleton when one of their guys got into a break. It was great because it enabled me to have a go at getting away and I managed to stay away for 20 miles from the bunch to finish eighth without having to sprint as the peleton was pretty much stuck behind London Dynamo.

Max and I are often racing together in road races and we help each other out. If I go off the front then Max will block and I do the same for him. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't but it is fun trying and makes the race more interesting.

Next year hopefully we will have lots more riders coming out to do the road races and then we can start to talk tactics, should be fun.

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Re: Addiscombe race tactics

Postby Toks » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:38 pm

[quote]At Palace for example there were a few weeks where only my self and Jack were really stong enough and confident. Just wondering if, assuming we get a few turning up for a race, we should try and work out some tactics to get an ACC win :D or placing in races? Noticed on some other club forums discussions on tactics and I think we all can see that some clubs do deploy various tactics to get their club some points. As far as I know we don't, (except, do the Hillington guys do this :?: ) for example last week at Eastway we had Toks and Marek (and me) both strong riders but to me it seemed that we had no plan (maybe they did I don't know) what with Marek going off on his own and the same with Toks. We still seem to ride as if each of us is the only club member there, maybe it often is, but more are trying racing and hopefully next year the momentum can be kept up?
Great post keiran, here's my take on things. I think trying to employ team tactics in any race depends on a number of factors:@
* How fit are the various team members?
If you're only fit enough to be pack fodder (no shame in that at Palace) its really not worth trying to put extra pressure on team members by asking them to 1. Get to the front and block while one of you charges off the front; 2. Chase down breakaways, 3. Sit in on breakaways or chasers
* How comfortable/confident are you on the circuit? If you haven't ridden that type of course/or it doesn't suit you - again you don't need team game hastle.

* Are you in team colours? Yep sorry mate! Its important to be recognised. We've raced together quite a few times but I rarely ever recal actually seeing you in a race...Just to let you know Sylvain gave me a real psychological boost when he raced at C.P. Despite my rather ropey form his ever yellow presence in the top 7/8 places was enough to drive me on and eventually I think I placed 6th. The week before that seeing how stongly Matt was riding also had a similar effect.

* It needs to be discussed before the race
Richard Munday showed amazing strength towards the end of the Dunsfold Aerodrome 3/4 race but we weren't able to pull it all together because I was knackered from too much attacking. Too be fair Jack did try 'blocking' when I was in a breakaway but it was to no avail. Our breakaway group just wasn't strong enough. Perhaps if we'd spoken before hand we might have had more success. Also see points 1 and 2

* You've got to race quite a lot together

As I'm sure you noticed both London Dynamo and Dulwich Paragon teams both used the 'blocking' tactic to devastating effect especially in August. This didn't work well before July (lower fitness levels perhaps) but once they all had very good fitness they were able more than not to influence the outcome of the race...In contrast I don't think we ever consistently had more than three people in a race especially once Tim moved up a level.
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