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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby -Adam- » Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:30 pm

[quote="Andrew G"][quote="Jon Hemming"][tightwad mode on]
Presumably before last weeks hiccup everything on the dead bike was working OK, and not everything got trashed in the crash? So just get a new frame and transfer the kit from the dead bike to the replacement.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Might need a new rear mech and new shifters but I'd have thought everything else would have been fine, chainset protected by pedals etc.

Also agree with Tony about getting a frame that fits, rather than trying to make one fit.


Why not upgrade when the drivers insurance will be footing the bill? Plus the stuff on the Trek is almost 4 years old, and pretty f****d anyway.

I'm not saying the frames don't fit, just that I'm yet to work out which one is most suitable. Given my ever increasing flexibility, and increasing drop from saddle to bars, I reckon the medium will work a treat. Plus, if you knew how cheap the frames are for me, then you'd understand. Like I said, the ideal is to get another Cervelo, so you paying?
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby Mike I » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:07 am

[quote="marco"]Im with Mike I on this - Chaterlea with Benelux gearing.


I feel a retro argument coming on - Chaterlea vs Williams.
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby Tony » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:26 pm

[quote="- Adam"]Given my ever increasing flexibility, and increasing drop from saddle to bars, I reckon the medium will work a treat.


How long do you spend working on your flexibility, Adam?

Speaking as the World's most inflexible person, I was significantly hampered to the extent that I very rarely rode on the drops. Even when attempting to breakaway or time trial they were a stretch too far. The fact that I can only get to within about a foot of the floor if I ever attempt to 'touch my toes' is not ideal for a cyclist!

My suggestion for any older (i.e. late 20s or older!), stiffer riders who are uping their mileage / cycling aspirations is that they should spend some quality time working on their flexibility each week. No point being a hyper-fit, wanabee racer if you can only ride in a position that resembles Postman Pat.
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby Snoop Doug » Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:40 pm

And don't forget team ACC is here to help with our very own weekly pilates class :wink:
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby -Adam- » Thu Feb 19, 2009 2:31 pm

[quote="Tony"]How long do you spend working on your flexibility, Adam?


A fair bit, Tony. I was given one of these silly ball things to use, which has helped, but thats more the core strength that's worked by that. Though that's important too. I have always had relatively good flexibility though, I can more or less get my hands flat on the floor when touching toes like you mention. I have also been much more disciplined this winter with stretching post-ride. My set up on my Cervelo has a fair drop from saddle to bars, which is fine.

My problem is reach, as I have long legs, but a comparitively short body. There's no 140mm stems on my bikes!
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby Tony » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:44 pm

Throughout 2007, one Pound was worth typically about 220 Japanese Yen. In fact, at its strongest, it was worth about 250. Today's rate is 134. Assuming Shimano stuff is manufactured in Japan, the fact that pound is close to halving in value against the Yen will be a major factor behind the price variation.

No idea where Campag stuff is manufactured.....assuming it is in Europe, the Pound has weakened quite a lot against the Euro too, but not to such an extent.
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby -Adam- » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:03 pm

I'm told Madison, the UK Importer of Shimano, has raised their prices by 40%. So there you go, it' quite a hike huh! Guess they've gotta pay for the Plowman Craven - Madison team's jolly up in Mallorca somehow. But I think the main reason, as Tony points out, is exchange rates.

For example, my team ordered our new kit in November. However, we were allowed to pay on delivery rather than at time of order. As collecting a shed load of cash from a bunch of cyclists aged between 12 and 24 is not an easy process. As a result, the total bill for the kit is now more than £1000 more than in November, as a result of the weakening pound against the euro... :cry:
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby Andrew G » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:34 pm

A poor pound and associated greatly increased cost to import, the further away it's made and the stronger that currency the worse it'll be.

Prices may also have gone up to cover R&D if there are any new bits on the new version of DA. I haven't looked at Campag prices as I don't want 11 speed or the new huge ugly levers but it may have gone up to cover the 11 speed R&D. I think both have also been developing electronic systems for a while now so they may be trying to cover some of the cost of that.

By the way Adam 4 years doesn't sound long (even on high milage) for the groupset to be, erm as you put it. Any spec of any groupset should last that easily if well maintained - should've cleaned your bike more regularly :wink: . If it's for a training bike that is going to be out on all weather and conditions then it might be better to get 105 and sacrifice a few grams for a bit more durability/hardiness.

Regardless of any deal, or your increasing flexibility then I'd still put fit first on a new frame or any savings on the frame will just be spent on physios treating a dodgy back for years to come.
[quote="Adam"]Why not upgrade when the drivers insurance will be footing the bill?

Honesty.
To avoid increasing insurance premium rates through excessive claim fees.

Well you did ask :lol: .
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby -Adam- » Fri Feb 20, 2009 1:49 pm

[quote="Andrew G"]Regardless of any deal, or your increasing flexibility then I'd still put fit first on a new frame or any savings on the frame will just be spent on physios treating a dodgy back for years to come.


Which is exactly why I'm trying both first, I'm almost certain one or other will work for me, it's just a case of working out which. They are very similar geometries to my Cervelo, much closer in fact than that awful Trek!

[quote="Andrew G"][quote="Adam"]Why not upgrade when the drivers insurance will be footing the bill?

Honesty.
To avoid increasing insurance premium rates through excessive claim fees.

Well you did ask :lol: .


I am only claiminig the replacement value for a Trek Madone 5.2, which is what I have just had destroyed by this mans reckless, inconsiderate and quite frankly dangerous driving. Can't say fairer than that, no? In this case, I don't think there's much I could claim that would be excessive. By the way, my coccyx is still very bad, I cannot really sprint or push hard in the saddle at all. In two weeks time I'm meant to be racing against a premier calendar standard field in the Jock Wadley Memorial, how's that going to happen now I am genuinely injured by this driver?
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby Andrew G » Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:06 pm

You took my comment too seriously Adam, it was the way you'd phrased your question, and I couldn't resist it.

If you have an injury and need treatment is it being done on the NHS? If you require physio treatment for it and don't have private medical cover then the insurance should pay for that.
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Re: I have a dilemma

Postby Tony » Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:06 am

I wouldn't worry too much about over-claiming.....the inurance company will doubtless be so slow to pay out, with the driver's story likely to change that you may as well seek a few £100,000s to start with. Don't forget to claim for the psychological trauma....plus your back problems.... Best to open negotiations at around £1Million, I reckon, for the damage to a potential star such as yourself.

In any case, taking too much money off an insurance company isn't theft. It's no different to helping yourself to stuff from work or from a big supermarket. They've got loads of money.

The only downside is the small risk that an excessive claim may be subject to public ridicule: [url]http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20090219/tuk-fat-chav-insurance-claim-form-leaked-45dbed5.html[/url]
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