Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

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Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby kieran » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:28 am

I see the TT was won by current world champ Bert Grabsch (Ger) of Team Columbia - High Road in a time of 51.26min, giving an average speed of 49.462km/h. This pace is faster than Boardman's offical UCI hour record of 49.441km/h set in 2000 and just under the current hour record of 49.7km/h set in 2005. There is not much difference in time, just 8 and a half minutes.

A question for you TTer's then: Does aero equipment and TT bikes make such a difference? given that the hour record would have been done in perfect conditions (flat, no wind, smooth surface etc) and apparently it was a bit windy on the course? Millar did it in a speed of 48.8km?
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby Ivor » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:45 am

dunno, the hour record requires a constant steady power output for the duration, perhaps doing the road TT you can take advantage of the undulations by putting down power on the climbs and recovering on the descents?
even so. 49.462kph. [img]http://www.timetriallingforum.co.uk/style_emoticons/default/NotWorthy2.gif[/img]
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby Michelle » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:43 am

I think Bert Grabsch being extra specially fat helps.

Honestly, I thought Cadel Evans was looking porky for a pro cyclist. But this guy has on him about 2 extra inches of subcutaneous fat. You can't even see his ribs. So wrong, so very wrong!
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Postby Col » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:45 am

Boardmans 'aero' hour record is 56.375km so a massive difference, also the yellow jersey ended on a standard road bike over 100 places behind. So if I had a Graeme Obree "superman-style" handlebar/carbon monocoque aero frame/5-spoke front & rear disk wheels I could have broken the hour (25mph), maybe just inside the cut of time for the pro's! :lol: :P
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby Col » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:04 pm

Also
IHPVA Hour record
The IHPVA record led to fully-faired bicycles: recumbent bicycles, low, enclosed in carbon fibre and Kevlar shells to reduce air resistance. The current record was set in 2008 by Slovenian Damjan Zabovnik at 87.123 km (54.136 mi) ridden on the 5.8 km oval track at the Eurospeedway Lausitz, near Klettwitz, Brandenburg, Germany.
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby Andrew G » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:07 pm

Yes aero makes a fair ol' difference. In part kit like a point hat and a disc wheel will help, but as Sean said the frontal area of the rider & bike combo is a big factor. Aero profiled tubes etc make less difference unless they form a bit of a fairing as some do (but can look nice) and dimples make f*** all difference. Air flow around and over the body/bike is the biggie.

I don't know what the wind or course was like on the DL TT but a tailwind would have helped, then again it had a lump in it. An hour record is on a fixed wheel bike too and as you tired you may in theory prefer a slightly different gear to the one you started on, on the TT he could have used which ever gear he wanted.
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Postby kieran » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:22 pm

[quote="Col"]Boardmans 'aero' hour record is 56.375km so a massive difference, also the yellow jersey ended on a standard road bike over 100 places behind. So if I had a Graeme Obree "superman-style" handlebar/carbon monocoque aero frame/5-spoke front & rear disk wheels I could have broken the hour (25mph), maybe just inside the cut of time for the pro's! :lol: :P


but aren't some of the innovations he had on his bike and possibly position now banned by the UCI? so could'nt have been used in the TT.

In regards to hills, as far as I know the time you lose going up is never gained on the down hill on a course that has zero overall height gain. Imagine a 20K flat TT riden at 49km/h this would give a time of 0.408 hours. Then imagine a hilly TT with 10K of climbing and 10k of descent, assuming a descending speed of 70kph you would need to climb the 10k at a speed of 37kph. The record for the Mt Ventoux TT was set by Iban Mayo in 2004 approx 56min to climb 22km with a gradient of 7.4% giving a speed of 23.6kph. So assume 23.6km/h up the 10k then you would require 0.423hours just to go up the hill and already you are slower than the flat TT.
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby Ivor » Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:25 pm

[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"]The rider, aand not the bike, is the biggest obstacle to a riders time.

tell me about it! :roll:
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby -Adam- » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:03 pm

Marco, you can always be trusted to bring doping in, nice one... :?
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Postby -Adam- » Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:21 pm

Remember you telling me to train as a Comm at Palace, because I was moaning they were getting stuff wrong?

Perhaps you should go get a job at the UCI, and do something constructive with your morals on doping, rather than just report hearsay all the time...
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Postby Snoop Doug » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:03 pm

I'm meeting Chris Boardman for breakfast in a few days - I'll ask him :wink: 8)

And I'll bet I can eat more sausages than he can
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Postby Snoop Doug » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:47 pm

[quote="marco"]either got their head in the sand or something far worse.


Worse. It's sandy poo, terrible, sticks to your hair and everything, ewwww.
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby Jon H » Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:50 pm

What's the big deal about a pro doing 49kph?
That's only just over 30mph, which is what our top domestic amateur testers do.
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Postby -Adam- » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:03 pm

[quote="Jon Hemming"]What's the big deal about a pro doing 49kph?
That's only just over 30mph, which is what our top domestic amateur testers do.


I was having similar thoughts. Anyone care to post the fastest Tour TT average? I'm sure Marco will, with an accompanying story about how it was ''achieved'' :P

Even when you take into account the fact that this TT wasn't all on a dual carriageway, the speed still isn't that high.
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Re: Dauphine Libere 42.4km TT results A ? for TTers

Postby -Adam- » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:47 am

actually...

[quote]Zabriskie burst out of the start house, slipped into his aero tuck and covered the 19km stage at an average of 54.676km/h – it was fast enough to eclipse the efforts of Greg Lemond’s famous victory on the Champs Elysees at the end of the 1989 Tour.


Also, Bradley Wiggins' 10 record of 17.58 equates to 53.744km/h

Both Garmin riders, surely they're clean, right, Marco!?
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