The cyclist that just wont go away

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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby TonyC » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:09 pm

The latest desperate attempt to lure the public and his dwindling legions of "believers" into believing he is innocent!

The funny thing is he will pass the test with flying colours as he is in absolute denial and firmly believes he's done nothing wrong.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/arms ... 17164.html
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Phil H » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:16 pm

[quote="TonyC"]The latest desperate attempt to lure the public and his dwindling legions of "believers" into believing he is innocent!

The funny thing is he will pass the test with flying colours as he is in absolute denial and firmly believes he's done nothing wrong.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/arms ... 17164.html

Gah!

I was going to cease contributing to this thread but that phrase always pushes my buttons. There is no such thing as a "lie detector". There are polygraphs but the reliability of these is variable and given a psychopathic/controlling personality (someone who believes they have done nothing wrong) they are pretty crap.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby TonyC » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:17 pm

On a lighter note, check out this parody of a self righteous ANTI DOPING ad he made in 2001!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M50e3e3irxg

The original is below if you can stomach it!

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/video/131 ... trong.html

I still cannot believe Nike are standing by this tosser!
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby TonyC » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:22 pm

[quote="Phil the Pie"][quote="TonyC"]The latest desperate attempt to lure the public and his dwindling legions of "believers" into believing he is innocent!

The funny thing is he will pass the test with flying colours as he is in absolute denial and firmly believes he's done nothing wrong.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/arms ... 17164.html

Gah!

I was going to cease contributing to this thread but that phrase always pushes my buttons. There is no such thing as a "lie detector". There are polygraphs but the reliability of these is variable and given a psychopathic/controlling personality (someone who believes they have done nothing wrong) they are pretty crap.



My point exactly..
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Phil H » Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:40 pm

Thanks to TV, a lot of people do actually believe that the things exist.

Related, in my research for the June trip, I came across this [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpe_d%27Huez#Ascent_times]list of names to conjure with[/url].
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Armstrong didn't dope....

Postby olderigetbetteriwas » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:03 pm

straight from the mouth of jan ullrich..here's the real secret to his years of dominance...why no one could get near him...

http://www.cyclismas.com/2012/02/cartoo ... n-ullrich/
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Grahame » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:27 pm

There may (just may) be a way out of this mess for the UCI: They can appeal.

No, not against the Armstrong lifetime ban, that is pretty-much nailed on. They could appeal against the "excessively lenient" sentences given to those cyclists who testified and were given discounted bans. They could then claim to have turned the corner and be fighting against doping in our sport.

I do not, however, expect this to happen whilst McQuaid is in charge, and Verbruggen is hanging around in the background.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby John G » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:36 pm

Watch this video, hilarious :!: :!: :lol: :lol: :lol:

LA is really a c@nt :!: :!: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-15/armstrong-excerpt/4310202[/url]
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby John G » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:54 pm

Another good video

[url]http://ewoud.home.xs4all.nl/tmp/20121012_nos_emma.html[/url]
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Dombo » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:07 pm

I'm no expert on polygraph tests but if he is so utterly convinced in his own mind he's done nothing wrong, there's every chance he could pass one.
And if he's a tad worried, good old wikipedia has some tips:
http://www.wikihow.com/Cheat-a-Polygrap ... e-Detector)
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby DavidKennett » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:14 pm

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5GQvOpCQAAbVv6.jpg:large[/img]
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby DavidKennett » Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:15 pm

[quote="John G"][url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-15/armstrong-excerpt/4310202[/url]


Mmmmm could they track down the medical staff?

[url=http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/jonathan-vaughters-crossing-the-line/]Crossing the white line[/url]

[url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/betsy-andreu-no-longer-a-voice-in-the-wilderness]Betsy Andreu[/url]

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-america-refuses-to-accept-a-heros-downfall-8210381.html]Not guilty?[/url]

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-former-editor--it-was-a-coverup--and-i-was-part-of-it-8209762.html]CW cover up![/url]

[url=http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/10/11/3608613.htm]The World According to Lance[/url] Worth a watch
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Dombo » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:21 pm

[quote="DavidKennett"]Mmmmm could they track down the medical staff?


Patient confidentiality.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby olderigetbetteriwas » Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:05 pm

the doctor who was allegedly in the room at the time has stated he cannot recall ever having the conversation..
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby olderigetbetteriwas » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:16 pm

[quote="DavidKennett"][quote="John G"][url]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-10-15/armstrong-excerpt/4310202[/url]


Mmmmm could they track down the medical staff?

[url=http://www.cyclesportmag.com/news-and-comment/jonathan-vaughters-crossing-the-line/]Crossing the white line[/url]

[url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/betsy-andreu-no-longer-a-voice-in-the-wilderness]Betsy Andreu[/url]

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-america-refuses-to-accept-a-heros-downfall-8210381.html]Not guilty?[/url]

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/others/cycling-former-editor--it-was-a-coverup--and-i-was-part-of-it-8209762.html]CW cover up![/url]

[url=http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/10/11/3608613.htm]The World According to Lance[/url] Worth a watch



cheers david, good articles and the 4 corners program is a good tying together of all the stuff from the usada reasoned decision.
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