Interesting article analysing two different blood profiles from 2 riders: MJ and BT:
http://www.localcyclist.com/2009/09/a-t ... -cyclists/
The telling paragraph is :
[quote]Are the riders clean? Did they dope? Certainly there is no sanctionable evidence. But consider the scenario that rider MJ and BT are not two different riders but the same rider at two different times. Does this scenario change your interpretation of the data?
No one's doing the big story?
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Re: No one's doing the big story?
by MattI » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:49 pm
.....because those two sets of blood values are indeed from the same rider.
I won't say who since it might upset some people
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Re: No one's doing the big story?
by Paul H » Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:56 pm
Armstrongs Haemocrit during the tour was average 41.96 ± 1.2% and the days it was higher appears to after rest days as well so I cannot see any evidence to indicate doping at all.
Wiggins was 44.9 ± 1.9 % which is deemed fine
[url]http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-values-point-to-cleaner-peloton[/url]
[quote]Ramanujan wrote:Physiologist and one of Denmark’s leading blood researchers,Jakob Mørkeberg, examined Lance Armstrong's Tour de France blood samples and said they might indicate a blood doping program.
Wiggins was 44.9 ± 1.9 % which is deemed fine
[url]http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wiggins-values-point-to-cleaner-peloton[/url]
[quote]Ramanujan wrote:Physiologist and one of Denmark’s leading blood researchers,Jakob Mørkeberg, examined Lance Armstrong's Tour de France blood samples and said they might indicate a blood doping program.
As the link says, he is a student trying to make a name for himself.
Name any successful athlete in the world and I bet I could find some so called "evidence" that he/she is a cheat.
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Re: No one's doing the big story?
by Dombo » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:42 am
[quote="marco"]Moekeberg background:
http://velocitynation.com/content/inter ... tic-speaks
http://velocitynation.com/content/inter ... tic-speaks
So he graduated as an "exercise physiologist". No disresepct to the man but he's no haematologist. Sounds like half the personal trainers you'll find in Cannons. And his phd is in detecting autologous blood doping. Obviously statisitics is not his strong point. To "prove" anything he would need many years' blood count results from his subject, and in LA's case adjusted for any residual effects from cancer treatment. Then compare this against a control group of athletes known to be clean and racing in similar conditions over the same period of time. That amount of data will allow calculation of t-tests, z-scores, and hence whether there are grounds for further investigation.
Footy tonight, Marco; will you be enjoying the game or worrying about the length of the players' studs and the pressure of air within the ball
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