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by **Brian Nolan** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:04 pm

If your gonna do one of them in 2007 it might as well be the biggest one of the lot ! If you do make it to Wales along with the rest of us you will be in for a treat; great roads and scenery and loads of groups to shelter in ... there are a few hills tho.....

by **Mark Leedham** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:44 pm

I have entered again - I enjoyed it in 2006 - I think?

by **Mike I** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:20 pm

I've registered for this one. I must have done so in a moment of weakness before the Bristol Cream had worn off.

by **adrian** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:14 pm

Me too, continuing a long tradition of poor decisions made whilst in my cups. Cheers (hic)!

Has anyone done anything about accommodation yet?

by **Conor Cormican** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:14 pm

I have entered for this and am going to do the Etape du Dales again. I'm hoping global warming will have reached Yorkshire by May, the weather can't be as bad in 2007 as it was this year.

by **Alan M** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:31 pm

OK - I'm in!!

Brian - you look like you are up for a second year of hardcore entries. will you have time to race as well??

Ajay - your participation will be welcome relaxation from your paternal duties.

One thought about the declaration which seems to sign off all their 3rd party liabilities - I thought that this was illegal - any insurance experts out there?

Is everybody doing (or aiming to complete) the longer ride?

Alan

by **Toks** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:00 am

[quote]Brian - you look like you are up for a second year of hardcore entries. will you have time to race as well??

by **Andrew G** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:21 pm

[quote]One thought about the declaration which seems to sign off all their 3rd party liabilities

by **Stu Merckx Man** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:00 pm

are these sort of things races, or more of accumplishment type things that you can feel good about finishing?

by **Alan M** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:41 am

Stu, If by that you mean does it feel good when it stops then the answer is yes - there is a warm glow of a shared achievement after the event and some satisfaction in achieving a target time and not falling prey to cramp or other problems - Doing a long ride without having to look at a map is good as is some of the unfamiliar scenery.

Toks - thanks for the advice - it feels like I should take notice - maybe a new bike will inject me with the will to suffer more pain of different types - who knows?

Andrew, I guess my worry with the insurance is if the organisers fail to notice something dangerous about the course or the conditions. While I am prepared to suffer the consequences of my own stupidity or lack of skill, a failure to foresee an obvious risk on the part of the organisers seems to me that it is something they should not be able to sign away -

by **Andrew G** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:16 am

Alan - Unfortunately I would be surprised if there was much cover provided "on course" as these events take place on open roads. Although organisers may be very honest, insurers certainly aren't (as a rule they are devious b'stards.). I would think that the insurer in that instance would take the attitude of it being an open road and therefore not within the control of the organiser, but the local authority and police, and refuse a claim.

The organiser's insurance will probably cover start, finish, and maybe feed stations. Your best bet is probably to phone them to check, but I would think that the responsibility falls to you once you are on the road.

In this current overly letigious world I would be amazed if there was something dangerous on the course, unless it unavoidably happens during the day through adverse weather. (I'm afraid the insurer might then try and avoid settlement through "Act if God" defense :roll:

).

Sorry to sound so negative, but I don't really think you should have too much of a concern. An accident during the ride will be covered by your insurance (BC, CTC, etc), and anything inflicted by the organiser at start / finish etc will be covered by their 3rd party cover. The waiver is probably just an arse-covering exercise to avoid them being sued for any potholes hit, or even for mental/physical stress and fatigue

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Cheers,
Andrew.

by **Toks** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:12 pm

[quote]Toks - thanks for the advice - it feels like I should take notice - maybe a new bike will inject me with the will to suffer more pain of different types - who knows?

by **Alan M** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:15 pm

I'm probably not as worried as I sound - just don't like to sign things that seem to give away rights - what you say makes good sense

Cheers

by **Brian Nolan** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:45 pm

hi Alan, - nice to see that you are up for this ride again and good to see Conor getting onboard. With the number of entrants they are talking about it will make it a fantastic day out... We could have a fair sized Addiscombe posse out on the day

Re the racing - Several of Toks' reasons could apply to me... I want to get inside the Gold standard for the Etape du Dales and just do better in all the other ones.. Even if I can just hang with the bunch I still think it will make me faster for the sportives and if I put the work in I hope to see big gains... One other reason though is to say that I have given it a go & I'm an amateur racer !
good to hear about the beefy 3rd cat rider ....

cheers,

by **mark mclaughlin** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:02 pm

I've just entered also, must say it was one of the most memorable days on the bike last year! Great to see so many of us are up for this.

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