Notable Absence

[Michelle]

No Toks I didn't say structured training, I said structural training.

Structured training is obviously having a plan, having specific goals, looking for specific improvements. Having some structure to your riding rather than just commuting to work every day at the same speed, and doing a couple of long rides at the weekend.

Structural training develops the structures within the body. So LBP-20 will increase the bloodflow to the muscles, increase the amount of mitochondria in the cells, increase the amount of capillaries within the muscles, train the body to use fats as fuel and to spare the glycogen in the muscles. If you stop training structurally for a few weeks, you will still have some of the benefits left within your body.

Functional training is different, and this is what I believe you are doing and what most people do. It is a higher intensity type of training and doesn't see as many long term permanent effects in the body. Ie if you stop doing all functional training, you very quickly lose the benefit of it, as you saw by being off the bike for 4 weeks earlier in the year.

This is my point, there are benefits in getting an lbp test and then spending long hours in the saddle at lbp-20. And Huw was trying to increase my fitness base because I had not responded as well as I could have to the much harder, higher intensity sessions I was doing last year.

But if you don't have that amount of time, then you need to spend your time wisely and use your - ie Toks - type of training to get the results you want.

Ps sorry to hear about your bike

[Robh]

I wouldn't be surprised if Toks is riding LBP/LBP-5/10 for most of his sessions. I can only guess as he's never been tested.

There are still structural changes riding just below LBP, your just using a different fuel to create ATP/energy if your riding close to LBP or 30 beats below.

If your improving who cares how you ride...It's when you stop improving when it matters you have to try and find the weak link?

[Roy Green]

I'm a bit late in the day to wish you a speedy recovery, Michelle. Having recently heard from a few ACC friends just how it's knocked you right down is convincing enough evidence of the evil influences of this PVS thing (hmm, not to be confused with PVT). But just reading of your intense interest in training and physical fitness matters is convincing enough to me that, however hard it's socking your body at present, your mind is still in tip top condition. And that's the best weapon against any illness. Do get well SOON!
Roy

[Paul H]

I dont buy this funtional/structural training thing. It seems to be a play on words to make one way of training appear superior to another.

LBP-20 will increase bloodflow, mitochondria, the amount of capillaries within the muscles but so will higher intensity aerobic training and in fact will increase them more. The latest reseach indicates that threshold training (approx 85% HR) is the best stimulus, for mitochondria and capillarisation. Wikipedia says, "when the energy needs of a cell are high, mitochondria grow and divide. When the energy use is low, mitochondria are destroyed or become inactive." - its as simple as that.

LBP-20 may possibly train the body to burn fat at LBP-20 but it is highly unlikely to help burn fat at Road Racing heart rates.

A "high intensity" rider will probably notice a larger drop in fitness after a lay off as their fitness is at a higher level (relative to there max fitness level) so will have lost more mitochondria etc. There is no structural differance of LBP-20 Mitochondria and LBP+10 Mitochondria just fewer numbers. 300w x 10% = 30w, 200w x 10% = 20w.

[quote="Michelle"]No Toks I didn't say structured training, I said structural training.
Structural training develops the structures within the body. So LBP-20 will increase the bloodflow to the muscles, increase the amount of mitochondria in the cells, increase the amount of capillaries within the muscles, train the body to use fats as fuel and to spare the glycogen in the muscles. If you stop training structurally for a few weeks, you will still have some of the benefits left within your body.

[Robh]

[quote="Paul H"] The latest reseach indicates that threshold training (approx 85% HR) is the best stimulus, for mitochondria and capillarisation. Wikipedia says, "when the energy needs of a cell are high, mitochondria grow and divide. When the energy use is low, mitochondria are destroyed or become inactive." - its as simple as that.

[Paul H]

Again, another poor play on words which doesnt make a lot of sense. I suppose when somebody is unable to justify their own point of view, they have to resort slights.

Anyway I hope you are feeling better Michelle and are able to do the CR tomorrow.

Toks said...

[quote]Are you able to do any gentle riding yet?

[Stu Merckx Man]

awh michelle i feel soooooo bad for you.

i thought i had it rough this winter!

i can't imagine how depressing it must feel like to go from super active, to suddenly not being able to anything at all for months and months to come.

the thing that got me through my 6 weeks of tonsillitis, were- practicing holding my breath, seeing the biggest number i could count to (5101 my record), trying to meditate, a lot of putting things into perspective ( like its not as bad as being a starving kid in africa, or not as bad as being stuck in the desert with no water, or in the arctic with no clothes), and plenty of...no i wont go there.

get well soon !!!

[Marky Mark]

Morning slacker

I had a chat with Keith in the cafe asking how you were feeling.
Wow I honestly didn't know you were that bad. Would a piece of cake and a jet wash make you feel any better?

Hope you manage to get your strength back and start riding again.

Now go and get well because summer is coming and there are some socials with you name on them.

All the best
Marky Mark x

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[Michelle]

Now THAT's the type of picture I like. Sweet, funny and making me smile.

Thanks for your thoughts Mark. It is a real shame I can't get out and walk let alone ride, but I can come and support Team ACC like I did yesterday, as long as I have a chair to sit in it is ok at the minute. And I can pop up at some of the socials, just no drinking for me . Still as I am not moving much at the minute, I don' really think I need the extra calories.

PS. I think the jet wash would really help... NOT

[mrP(Boonen)VT]

[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"]Good to see you in the Alford race photos Michelle.

[Toks]

I just wanna echo Sean's words Michelle. Its great that despite your poor health you've been so supportive of us racers. Interestingly enough every time your at a race to cheer on the mighty ACC the weather on the whole has been pretty good - it must be your smiley demeanour!

[huw williams]

[img]http://i40.tinypic.com/34hjr6s.jpg[/img]

A smiley demeanour last weekend

[George]

Could be worse Michelle you could have broken your neck

At least you wont have to visit DR LASER