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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu May 27, 2010 2:23 pm

Leaving aside the fact that Landis is a proven lying drug cheat, his claims do have a touch of the Fayed about them.
$100,000 bribe to the UCI to hush up positive drug tests? So that's 70,000 quid that puts LA at lifetime risk of bribery from anybody involved, and the UCI officials at the same risk? Blood bags stored in a fridge in a closet? Chicken salad and beer maybe. LA spent over a year undergoing treatment for cancer. Is he really going to trust a domestic fridge and a teammate (Yo Floyd, ah'm jiss nippin' out for a ride, make sure the power doesn't go off) to keep in tip top condition something he's going to inject into himself?
A temporary power cut while Landis is out shopping and how's he going to know? VCR clock flashing? Then what? Taste the blood? Smell it?
Administering transfusions to teammates? Yeah right. That's why whenever I donate blood they give me a bag and a syringe and let me get on with it rather than have a trained nurse do it.
As for involving federal funds (US Postal) with drugs....hmmm, Iran-Contra anyone? Can't see that one getting to court.

Anyway, I've said it before, if it wasn't for our little annual exchanges, Marco and I would hardly ever speak. It's deja vu all over again :D
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Ben » Thu May 27, 2010 2:50 pm

FWIW Sylvia Schenk has it at $500,0000 from 2005 - Marco has probably posted this at some time

http://velonews.competitor.com/2005/09/ ... -case_8889
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu May 27, 2010 3:03 pm

Nope. Not til he proves positive and/or is found guilty in court. Innocent til then.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Grahame » Thu May 27, 2010 3:14 pm

But he [size=150]HAS[/size] tested positive. For Corticosteroids. He was allowed to submit a backdated "prescription" in contradiction to the UCIs own rules on disclosure.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu May 27, 2010 3:36 pm

[quote="marco"]Very admirable. That makes Bjarne Riis drug free as well!


Sorry, I should also add if he admits to it.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu May 27, 2010 3:37 pm

[quote="Grahame"]But he [size=150]HAS[/size] tested positive. For Corticosteroids. He was allowed to submit a backdated "prescription" in contradiction to the UCIs own rules on disclosure.


Of course it was backdated. Dated before the test? It could hardly be post-dated could it? And it was for saddle sores on his @r$e.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Elliot M » Thu May 27, 2010 3:42 pm

[quote="Dombo"]Nope. Not til he proves positive and/or is found guilty in court. Innocent til then.


Armstrong: I have sued a few people in my day and you know, been successful there and proved my innocence through that and I don’t need to do that anymore.

Armstrong seems to have a rather lower standard of proof than you do, given that as far as I know he has settled all drug-related allegations out of court.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Grahame » Thu May 27, 2010 3:46 pm

[quote="Dombo"][quote="Grahame"]But he [size=150]HAS[/size] tested positive. For Corticosteroids. He was allowed to submit a backdated "prescription" in contradiction to the UCIs own rules on disclosure.


Of course it was backdated. Dated before the test? It could hardly be post-dated could it? And it was for saddle sores on his @r$e.


The problem is that athletes are expected to provide prescriptions for any drugs they are using [size=150]before[/size] the test. This is their responsibility. He failed a test. Then was allowed (in a way that is regarded by WADA as "irregular" at least) to provide a prescription [size=150]after[/size] the result was published. There was no evidence that the corticosteroid was [size=150]actually prescribed[/size] before the failed test, and the regulations required that the athlete declare any medications before their use, not after.
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He had a prescription for saddle sores on his ar$e? How were they applied? Intraveinously, orally, a cream or as a suppository?
Surely the prescription was for the corticosteroid? :twisted: :wink:
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu May 27, 2010 4:19 pm

[quote="marco"]It will be interesting what sort of reception he gets from cycling fans if he makes it to the TdF


Wild cheering and one of those alpine bells from me.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu May 27, 2010 4:21 pm

[quote="Grahame"][quote="Dombo"][quote="Grahame"]But he [size=150]HAS[/size] tested positive. For Corticosteroids. He was allowed to submit a backdated "prescription" in contradiction to the UCIs own rules on disclosure.


Of course it was backdated. Dated before the test? It could hardly be post-dated could it? And it was for saddle sores on his @r$e.



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He had a prescription for saddle sores on his ar$e? How were they applied? Intraveinously, orally, a cream or as a suppository?
Surely the prescription was for the corticosteroid? :twisted: :wink:
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Cream. As stated in one of his books.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Grahame » Thu May 27, 2010 4:39 pm

[quote="Dombo"][quote="Grahame"][quote="Dombo"]

Of course it was backdated. Dated before the test? It could hardly be post-dated could it? And it was for saddle sores on his @r$e.



<pedant mode>
He had a prescription for saddle sores on his ar$e? How were they applied? Intraveinously, orally, a cream or as a suppository?
Surely the prescription was for the corticosteroid? :twisted: :wink:
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Cream. As stated in one of his books.


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You can get saddle sores in a cream? I bet that's a top seller in the peloton :twisted: . [quote="Peloton "doctor""]"Saddle sore cream, Saddle sore cream. Get your steroid excuses here."

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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu May 27, 2010 4:46 pm

Haha. Touché, Rumpole
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby DavidKennett » Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:54 pm

Interesting to see how footbal views 'blood spinning' [url=http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Blood+spinning%3A+the+inside+story%3B+Injecting+concentrated+blood+is+at...-a0136321016]here[/url]

And in the [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7809320/The-perfect-penalty-and-other-science-behind-winning-the-World-Cup.html]Fitness Freaks[/url] section
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby virek » Wed Jun 09, 2010 6:52 pm

@Dombo : It seems that no traceable proof is no proof in its own right anymore.

A seasoned drink driver who avoids the police for 10 years is no less a drink driver.

I'm not saying that Lance is cheating or lying. Its just that that argument is very weak at best.

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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Alex P » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:46 pm

[quote]A seasoned drink driver who avoids the police for 10 years is no less a drink driver.


mmmm......imagine... a regular villiage pub goer of ten years who is breath tested everytime he leaves the pub, randoms tests carried out when he is at home, stopped regularily whilst driving his car and tested (all with negative results of course) can still be classed a "Drink Driver" by the villiage gossips - I suppose he can.

But in the real world...... :wink:
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