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Postby Alex P » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:54 pm

What an outstanding pillar of our community :shock:

[youtubewww]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2byQ8LrCRw[/youtubewww]

I hope that he got reported
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Snoop Doug » Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:35 pm

Good find Alex. Minor point though, the correct spelling of pillar in this instance ends ..llock.....I think? Shocking behaviour
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Postby Andrew G » Fri Jul 09, 2010 7:17 pm

Hmmm, maybe it's the natural coward in me but I'm not sure that taking a confrontational approach, albeit mild, with drivers is the best way to get your point across.
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Postby Alex P » Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:46 pm

I agree, especially when you are in a very vulnerable position on an encumbant - although it does not excuse the behaviour.
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Snoop Doug » Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:41 pm

hmmm, well if "put the phone away mate" is confrontational then gawd help us all. Last time I checked yakking on the phone in a car was illegal, not to mention dangerous to other road users. My nerd alert radar always goes up a couple of notches when I'm riding in close proximity of someone having a phone conversation whilst driving. Hope something mildly unpleasant happens to the van idiot :wink:
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Dombo » Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:25 pm

While i have to agree the van driver is an ignorant c***, and needs his teeth kicked in, telling a complete stranger to put his phone away is, unless you are either a copper or otherwise willing and able to spoil his day, stupidly confrontational. Particularly lying on your back on a recumbent.
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby richv » Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:04 pm

Well I'm overly confrontational then. However the more people that tell him to put his phone away the more likely he is to get the message he is a complete t@*t. Also I reckon I'm more likely to get run other by someone using their phone than by someone trying to do some damage after I've told them to put their phone away.
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Snoop Doug » Sun Jul 11, 2010 6:39 pm

[quote="richv"]Well I'm overly confrontational then. However the more people that tell him to put his phone away the more likely he is to get the message he is a complete t@*t. Also I reckon I'm more likely to get run other by someone using their phone than by someone trying to do some damage after I've told them to put their phone away.


You got that right :)
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Elliot M » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:13 pm

[quote="richv"]...However the more people that tell him to put his phone away the more likely he is to get the message he is a complete t@*t. Also I reckon I'm more likely to get run other by someone using their phone than by someone trying to do some damage after I've told them to put their phone away.


Sadly I disagree with both of these points as they relate to this incident. I suspect his negative impression of cyclists has just been reinforced, he is less likely if anything to modify his behaviour in the long term, and we saw that his short term behaviour actually worsened significantly to include actual dangerous driving, spitting and threatened violence. This is consistent with my own experience.

This doesn't mean that I condone the driver's behaviour in any way, or that I haven't been at least as confrontational myself.

I don't have a simple answer, although I suspect phrasing of any challenge is important - possibly a questioning approach rather than an order would have a more positive outcome. Also, I suspect he's a lot more likely to modify behaviour if message comes from groups other than cyclists, such as his peers or police - who wield social or legal consequences.
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby John Cochrane » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:48 pm

I read recently that talking on a mobile phone, whilst driving, is now the number 1 reason for accidents. :!:
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Snoop Doug » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:56 pm

[quote="John Cochrane"]I read recently that talking on a mobile phone, whilst driving, is now the number 1 reason for accidents. :!:


D'you know I read that too, it popped up on me phone, had a look and next thing I've driven into me neighbours hedge :oops:

the above wot I wrote may well be a fib...
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Dombo » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:15 am

[quote="Elliot M"][quote="richv"]...However the more people that tell him to put his phone away the more likely he is to get the message he is a complete t@*t. Also I reckon I'm more likely to get run other by someone using their phone than by someone trying to do some damage after I've told them to put their phone away.


Sadly I disagree with both of these points as they relate to this incident. I suspect his negative impression of cyclists has just been reinforced, he is less likely if anything to modify his behaviour in the long term, and we saw that his short term behaviour actually worsened significantly to include actual dangerous driving, spitting and threatened violence. This is consistent with my own experience.

This doesn't mean that I condone the driver's behaviour in any way, or that I haven't been at least as confrontational myself.

I don't have a simple answer, although I suspect phrasing of any challenge is important - possibly a questioning approach rather than an order would have a more positive outcome. Also, I suspect he's a lot more likely to modify behaviour if message comes from groups other than cyclists, such as his peers or police - who wield social or legal consequences.


Good points well made, but why challenge at all? Just make eye contact, indicate you're going to pull in front, and give a friendly wave of acknowledgement. My first thought, and i'm sure beardy thought so too, when I heard that whiny "get off the phone, mate" was "mind your own f***ing business". He's just a guy going to work, stationary, on the phone. Could be gassing to his mates, his boss, or checking up on his sick mum in hospital. Be visible, polite, and if you're not sure he's seen you keep out of his way.
Of course if you must challenge then be prepared for trouble, but don't go looking for it.
Like Andrew above, the natural coward in me tends to avoid these things.
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Re: Nice Man!

Postby Mike I » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:36 am

The natural coward in me would avoid riding a recumbent, especially in Peckham/Rotherhithe.
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