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Postby -Adam- » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:13 pm

Its a wonder anybody actually finished...!?

But should it be removed from the race, i dont think so. It wasn't anywhere near that bad in previous years, and it was dry today. Which i think lulled the riders into a false sense of security...
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Postby Richard (Apples) » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:15 pm

[quote]Matthew Wilson (Unibet.com): sprained wrist


Embarrassing up against that list of casualties :shock:
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Postby -Adam- » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:18 pm

Yeah but at least his season isn't so f****d!
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Postby Richard (Apples) » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:28 pm

[quote]landed in a nearby tree
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Postby -Adam- » Thu Apr 12, 2007 4:59 pm

True that Sean, im not sure but i can't imagine the racing scene is that hot in sweeden. And thats the only place they'll be allowed to race sooner or later i reckon. Its a real shame though, the've got some quality riders, cooke, hunt, casper (well up until last sunday anyway!)
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Postby -Adam- » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:49 pm

Yeah, its interesting that a lot of teams have opted to stick with there carbon deep section jobbies through the classics so far...

I wonder if CSC can win Paris-Roubaix on sunday with there Zipps!? :wink:
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Postby Andrew G » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:59 pm

[quote]officials initially spotted a bike but couldn't find a rider to go with it

:lol: Well if Petacchi can find his sprinting legs, then he's still in trouble as his main lead-out man's not going to be back anytime soon.
[quote]...I wonder if CSC can win Paris-Roubaix on sunday with there Zipps!?

I wouldn't have thought so, not on cobbles. Flanders and Roubaix you want a good old fashioned set of 36 hole hubs and box section rims, gotta be strong :) . I was amazed to see a few in Gent-W use deep rims. General concensious is carbon rims are too rigid and give too much shock over the cobbles, not bike friendly either. Trek/Disco denied it but Hincapie was the only one to use them in Roubaix last year and look what happened to his bike.
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Postby -Adam- » Thu Apr 12, 2007 9:59 pm

Why are the older generation of this club so bloody traditional?

Where does this idea that carbon rims are too stiff for rough roads? Maybe some are, depending on how they are built (i.e carbones, aeolus' etc that are standard rims with a fairing on top). But Some, like Zipps have there spokes built into the rim at inner edge. Thus giving them a large area to absorb shock and dampen vibration.

I can vouch for this so far, and if you watch cervelo's testing on cervelo.tv the CSC boys can too. So dont be so suprised id you see the odd 303 or 404 on sunday... and be even less suprised when they win (well, maybe...)

Hincapies disaster last year was his steerer tube, damaged in an earlier crash. The same thing happened to a rider at Flanders last sunday. Without deep section wheels i think! And Bonty Aeolus' aint got nowt on Zipp!
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Postby Andrew G » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:02 am

[quote]older generation

Cheeky scamp! :D I'm 32 (I know I look older, I've had a hard life. :wink:

It's not tradition Adam it's the punishment the wheels have to take over these cobbles (which are very big and have fair sized gaps in them). The wheels need a bit ot flex and a lot of strength to absorb the bashing they take. Nearly every rider will use "old fashioned" box section rims, it's not just carbon rims but all the nice medium profile Fulcrums etc that will be swopped for handbuilt wheels as well.

Generally the deeper the rim the stiffer the ride, this makes it faster but less complient. Honestly I'd be very surprised if you see many carbon rims.
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Postby Jon H » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:09 pm

Cancellara won Paris-Roubaix last year riding for CSC, and used traditional alloy-rim spoked wheels.
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Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:12 pm

[quote]Why are the older generation of this club so bloody traditional?


Crikey, I won't be allowed to post soon as over the hill, I'm getting my carbon zimmer frame next week :shock: Campag of course (duck).

I can see the logic of carbon rims if they are tubs, as similar to my frame there is a fair degree of lateral compliance whilst still being horizontally very stiff, but would think thatthose with the aluminium rims on for clinchers would not be used.

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Postby Andrew G » Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:33 pm

[quote="seanhogan(CondorMan)"]Last year ahead of the Paris Roubaix CSC tested all sorrts of wheels to death and settled on non-carbon....Cancellara won.

Box section rims as well. They'll also (nearly) all ride tubs as you can still ride them when flat. You really don't wan't to try and ride a flat clincher on a section of Paris-Roubaix pave :shock:
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Postby -Adam- » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:01 pm

Well we'll see i guess!

Paul, even on a carbon zimmerframe you'd still be pushing second cat!
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Postby Andrew G » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:51 pm

[url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2007/apr07/roubaix07/tech/index.php?id=/photos/2007/tech/features/boonen_specialized_roubaix/gbBoonenBike01]Boonen uses box section rims and 32 spokes.
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Postby -Adam- » Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:00 pm

Yeah but he's not gonna win is he!
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