Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby huw williams » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:18 pm

Many thanks to all those who pm’d me requesting further details on Powertap training after Andrew’s ‘Sunday special’ a couple of weekends back. Sorry I’ve been too busy to reply to everyone individually but below is an update on the progress. Clearly there’s a number of members interested in the idea of a powertap even if they can’t afford the second mortgage it takes to buy one. And no I don’t mind revealing the highs and lows of my training as long as it helps you make a decision on whether you get one or not.

Following the hilly Sunday ride I had a week of short moderate-intensity stuff leading up to my second ‘test’ on the Friday and the first Sportive of the year, a short blast around the Ashdown Forest. I was a bit concerned that this might be a bit much at the end of my first 4 week period of proper riding of the year but my coach told me not to worry about feeling a bit ‘flat’ on the Sunday for the sportive.

Tuesday session was a ‘Microburst.’ After warming up you ride for 1.5 hours and do a 10 second interval every 3 minutes where you try and get up to 500w as quickly as possible then hold it for the duration of the interval. If you happen to be on an uphill when the 3 minutes comes around it feels pretty easy and you have to control the speed to stay in the zone. If it happens on a downhill you’re in trouble, cranking out 500 watts on a descent with so little resistance you suddenly find your legs windmiling at 130rpm as you head towards red lights or the backs of cars at over 35mph because you’ve been staring down at the powertap. Not recommended. 500w isn’t much for 10 seconds - the idea is not the power but how quickly you can get there - but after you’ve done 30 of them you start feeling it ☹

Next day was supposed to be an easy day on the rollers in order to recover for the test the next day but my heart rate was significantly low for good power so I went for it right there. The best way to do a 30 minute test is to ride for 30 minutes – I hate it, but think the results are more accurate than doing a 20 minute test and subtracting 5%

Anyway after burying myself in the shed for 30 minutes I emerged with threshold power figure increased by 11w since my first. RESULT! 261w instead of 250w – at this rate I’ll have 300w for 30 mins by June (That’s a joke Toks :-) ).

Seriously though this is a significant step forward and I felt a little buoyed. It’s only 11w but believe me there is no way I could have achieved that in the first test the way I was feeling.

The sportive is one I do every year as a measure of how early-year training is progressing and this one was the best I’ve ever done. Despite a proper hilly course and getting caught up in the firefight of the lead group I felt good all the way round, attacked at the end, didn’t have any signs of cramp (unusual at this time of year) and generally had a good day.

So 4 weeks in and I’ve got to say that the Powertap has already brought quantifiable improvements.

A couple of things to consider – I had 6 weeks entirely off the bike (after doing the first power test) with illness before xmas (and I mean illness here– didn’t do ANY kind of training in gym on bike or anything.) When I lined up for the Sportive I had sat on the bike a grand total of 12 times in the 4 weeks leading up to it. That’s the best January form of my life, ever, on 12 rides. The only way I can see that being possible is down to the powertap – every single minute of all those rides had a purpose and a wattage target zone which I stuck to religiously. From the two 4 - 5 hour solo rides at a mind numbingly tedious pace in early January to the threshold and sweetspot sessions more recently.

So that’s where its at at the moment – had a rest week after the Ashdown and now I’m starting the second block of 4 weeks training, I’ll post how that goes, be it death or glory.
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby -Adam- » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:14 pm

Just to put 11watts into perspective for those who don't know much about power. It would be like my car, a 1.1l 106 which probably has about 50bhp, gaining about 5bhp, you would definately notice the difference!

So fair play Huw, what work are you doing to raise your threshold then? After my test at Kent Uni the other week im on a ''programme'' now, invloving a threshold session a week, as well as a brutally painful maximal effort interval session too.
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Toks » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:58 pm

Nice work Huw, keep posting them wattage figures mate. :D
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Robh » Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:34 pm

Well done Huw...4% increase. Soon you will be doing 3 x 25mins @ 265W like I did in early December...

In 2002 my first ever 20mins test I got 250W, after 7 weeks of threshold training I pushed the figure up to 284W (11% increase).

Going back to what you were saying about your solo 4-5hr rides using power as a guide, have you also been recording your hear rate? How does your heart rate compare on these rides to previous years?

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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Ian A4size » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:29 pm

I bet ol' finbar loves this topic......

My first 20 was 262w, second test after 4 weeks was 278w, someone do the math for me. :wink:
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Robh » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:32 pm

[quote="Ian MunneryA1size"]I bet ol' finbar loves this topic......

My first 20 was 262w, second test after 4 weeks was 278w, someone do the math for me. :wink:


6% increase
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Toks » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:21 am

[quote="Ian MunneryA1size"]I bet ol' finbar loves this topic......

My first 20 was 262w, second test after 4 weeks was 278w, someone do the math for me. :wink:
Ian, so 278 x .95 gives you a Functional threshold power (highest average watts you could sustain 60mins)of 264. So you should be doing 2 x 20's s in the region of he 91-105% of your FT: 240-277watt. Bump for 254watt in the middle :D
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby huw williams » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:06 am

[quote="-Adam-"]Just to put 11watts into perspective for those who don't know much about power. It would be like my car, a 1.1l 106 which probably has about 50bhp, gaining about 5bhp, you would definately notice the difference!

So fair play Huw, what work are you doing to raise your threshold then? After my test at Kent Uni the other week im on a ''programme'' now, invloving a threshold session a week, as well as a brutally painful maximal effort interval session too.


One threshold session per week which is a 2 x20 right on the button - did this yesterday and nearly puked :(
One sub LT session which is a blowout of 275-300w for 5 mins then a 3 x 10mins at about 255w
One microburst as outlined above - aimed at improving my pathetic ability to initiallly respond to sprinters like yourself. I'm not bad when I get up to speed but not good at getting there quickly enough to prevent the gap oppening. That's for later on today
One Big Gear session which is 1.5hours on the road, every 3 minutes turn the biggest gear on the bike (staying in the saddle) at 500-600w for 10 seconds. That's for fridays
A big endurance ride at the weekend - 4-5 hours @ normalised power of >200
Warm up sessions for all the above include high-cadence build-ups working at around 120rpm
One session per week of submissive appologising to a coach on the phone when I insist on doing a sportive which I didn't tell her about and wasn't on the programme :roll: :roll: :roll:
(being a woman some chocolate should straighten things out:-) )

That was the programme for the first 4 weeks - the next 4 weeks has a couple of variations on that including some 'tempo' rides of 1 to 1.5 hrs @ around 230w which I'm really looking forward to

In the past there seems to be have been a definite link between starting the high-end stuff and getting ill, so though I've been warned that the max and supra-max stuff is looming, we're going to try delaying it a bit - so I'm trying not to think about it, yet! :shock:
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Toks » Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:42 am

[quote="huw williams"]
One threshold session per week which is a 2 x20 right on the button - did this yesterday and nearly puked :(
Blimey Huw, what was the AP on each of the the 2 x 20's? It sounds like you wanna bring them down a notch
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby huw williams » Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:02 pm

Nah - wasn't too bad actually - I was coming back after a week off and only a couple of low intensity sessions in preperation - so a bit of a shock to the system.
It felt ok on the bike but when I got off I had binge-drinking characteristics. Walking into stuff, dribbling - you know how it is :D
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Andrew G » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:43 pm

[quote="huw williams"]I had binge-drinking characteristics. Walking into stuff, dribbling - you know how it is :D

So long as you didn't trip over any speedbumps, now that would be embarassing :oops: .[quote="Ian MunneryA1size"]I bet ol' finbar loves this topic......

I get enough percentages and numbers at work. I did make it to the third parapraph of Huw's piece before I hit "microburst" and lost it. Much better now he's talking about drinking. :wink:
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby Ian A4size » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:11 pm

Andrew.... me too, i thought he said micro-breweries!
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Re: THE AVERAGE CYCLIST

Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:35 am

Now you've got Jon Avery's attention :wink:
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