Wednesday chaingang from Butlers & Coulsdon

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Postby George » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 am

I couldn't beleive we had 13 out last night it was almost like a cr at coulsdon, we could have split into different groups, well we did but only through darwin selection :lol:

I took my TT bike out for the first time, some people thought it was an interesting choice of machine for a chain gang.

It was fine though, whilst on the front I got down on the drops and when I came off went back up to the brake hoods, it was considerably more comfortable than I was expecting.

Amazing how much a full on TT machine can speed things up, I could pretty much dictate whatever pace I wanted and I didn't feel as though I was getting out of puff.

I felt sorry for the other's who were all on their training bikes, they seemed to be struggling to keep up :D

Sorry chaps maybe I'll only bring this supersonic torture machine out for TT's in the future :wink:
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Postby Stu Merckx Man » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:40 am

[quote]Sorry chaps maybe I'll only bring this supersonic torture machine out for TT's in the future :wink:


good idea george!
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Postby huw williams » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:54 pm

13 riders? sounds excellent chaps - who was out and who was still on at the end???
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Postby Andrew G » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:52 pm

You don't want to do a chaingang at night on a TT bike George. Think about all the lights you need mucking up the airflow, not good for the aerodynamics :D .
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Postby BRM » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:48 pm

I found this article on a site that some of you have referred to before -
http://www.wyreforestcrc.org.uk/?p=c_ttt

They've got some pertinent things to say there, especially re "through and off" which may be useful for the chaingang. It looks as if the emphasis is on going through steady and not just ripping each others legs off and disintegrating the group within 2 minutes!

Maybe we could try some of these techniques on the next chaingang? There's no mention of TT bikes though :?

Through and Off


IntroductionFor those in the know, riding as a drilled group and taking turns on the front is the quickest and most efficient way for a group to get from A to B. Commonly known as 'Through and Off' or 'Bit and Bit', factors like the number of riders and the weather are variables which dictate this style of riding and its these styles we will now discuss in more detail.

Bigger Group, Faster Time...not always true

Generally the size of group is directly proportional to the speed at which they will travel. Two riders vs Six riders, and the larger group has a distinct advantage. The Two riders will take longer turns on the front and fatigue faster whereas the Six riders have an opportunity to drive harder on the front for shorter periods but equally take a longer rest between efforts, thus driving their overall speed up.

Road Racing is different to Team Time Trials in that groups in TTT's will be no bigger than four but in Road Races, though the principal of through and off is the same, groups can get much bigger and its here tactics can affect the overall speed of a group too.


You will often see a small group of riders or even a solo rider outpace a large chase group or the main bunch in a Road Race. How can this be so? The success of any group although dependent on the number in it and the conditions they are riding in, the comittment of its riders plays a major part too. In TTT's every member of the group will be 100% committed but in a Road Race break or chase group, you may get some riders 'missing turns' and 'sitting in' and then the workers in the group will sit up as they dont want to 'tow' these riders along with them. All of a sudden the impetus goes out of the group and they either get caught or the leaders go up the road.

Two's Up, Taking turns
The style of riding in a group depends on the number of riders. Two riders will ride differently to Six or Eight. Traditional Through and Off technique is simple. A rider comes through as the one in front drops off towards the back, but this isn't practical with Two or even Three riders. For Two riders to do the above would be go through, put your brakes on to get round your partner and then accelerate again. It would be like interval training and isn't how its done. For Two riders, each takes a turn on the front, the other 'drafting' behind out of the wind. When their turn is up they gently pull over and ease slightly so their partner can come through maintaining the same speed . The rider drops behind and the process starts again. In Road Racing the end of a turn may be noted by a flick of the elbow before pulling over. This is common on the pro-circuit.

The length of the turn varies on the speed and commitment of the riders and the distance to cover. The wind plays a major role too. Riders will generally ride upto a few hundred metres before pulling over. In a larger group, they will pull over as soon as they go through.

For a group of three, its different again slighty. Here the front rider takes a turn but the next rider will drag the third rider through into second spot as the lead rider drops off to the back. Some 3-ups do go through and off smoothly, particularly in TTT's but in RR's its common to do a turn and then drift to the back of the 3-man group.

Four or more, You know the score
As the group gets bigger the technique shifts from through-do a turn-off to simple through and off. And its now that the wind direction will determine which side of the front rider the next in line goes. Wind from the left you ride through on the right and vice versa. This makes it easier for the next rider inline to come through without having to battle into the wind, and then they can use the wind to ease as they drop off the front of the group.

To drop off, pull over into the wind and ease slightly so the next rider can come through and maintain the speed, he shouldn't have to accelerate to get past. This is important.

Keep it Tight, Keep it Smooth
The key to successful Through and off is to keep tight to the rider in front. You'll get the best draft and rest and if everyone in the group sticks to that rule, rule no.2 keeping it smooth, shouldn't be a problem. Keeping it smooth is important. If riders let gaps open and then quickly close them, it has a knock on effect back down the line and upsets the rhythm of the group, and with that rhythm comes the overall speed.

Who is the last man?
In a RR, its common for riders either early on in a break or those missing a turn to shout 'Last Man' to the rider in front of them (as they are dropping back) as they reach the back, so the rider in front knows to drop onto the riders wheel going through and won't leave an unexpected gap. Again, it keeps the group rolling along smoothly.


Echelons
An echelon is a line of riders partially drafting the one in front to stay out of the wind. If the wind is pretty much straight on, the echelon will be straight too but as the wind moves round to the side of the group, left or right, the echelon's angle will steepen too. If an echelon can't fit onto the road safely then the ones at the back will suffer and its common in these circumstances for gaps to open in larger groups. Smaller groups, a good echelon helps keep the group smooth.
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Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:51 am

[quote]Amazing how much a full on TT machine can speed things up,


and that coming from George.

Testers out there be very afraid
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Postby Jon H » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:49 am

It'll be even faster when he puts the disk wheel on it. :wink:
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Postby Andrew G » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:49 am

[quote="mrP(Boonen)VT"]Testers out there be very afraid

I take it that's for any non-Addiscombe reading the forum. Can't see a problem having fast time triallists in the same club as me - the more the merrier, might effect some of you faster guys as your place in any team prizes is under threat :twisted: .
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Postby -Adam- » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:40 pm

7pm at Butlers then tomorow? Or do most meet at CSS?
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Postby huw williams » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:42 pm

Take a mast and a sail tomorrow - you'll see 50mph without pedalling I reckon :D
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Postby Gavin » Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:59 pm

Adam there are usally people at both I tend to go to CSS otherwise I would be dropped before it started properly!

Slightly concerned about the possibility of rain tomorrow.

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7.00 GBs
7.15 CSS
7.55 Turn back!
8.35 Back at CSS
8.50 Back at GBs
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Postby -Adam- » Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:05 pm

Its not the rain that bothers me, its the wind!

Probably see you at CSS tomorow then...
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Postby Sylv » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:12 pm

Don't know why but I've thoroughly enjoyed the last couple days commuting in the wind and rain.

Morning - sail effortlessly at 25+mph

Evening - scrounge every possible bit of drafting possible going into the wind
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Postby Sylv » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:19 pm

I wish it would snow sometime though!
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Postby higg » Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:58 am

So who's out for chain gang tonight? I broke a wheel (well, broke a spoke but it's one of those 20 spoke Shimano wheels) on Saturday's club run so will be on my commuting bike. It only has one gear so I won't be doing anymore than 18mph avg. Still expect to do a solid 2 hours though. Maybe they'll be enough for 2 groups ?
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