Why bother at the weekend?
1. You will all have different heart rate zones so impossible to ride as a group
2. You will spike when you go up hills, is this really an issue?
3. Isn't it a bit unsociable, riding on your own why not just sit on a turbo or go and ride somewhere flat if the heart rate is so important?
4. Are you having as much fun as you would normally when riding in an average speed group?
Why don't you guys do your zone training during the week and then just sit in a slower speed average speed group at the weekend, if you go out of the zone on the hills then I am pretty damn sure it ain't going to have a major long term impact on your overall training goals if you cannot do any other zone training in the week.
Training to heart rate is not something that should be done in a group, so forget it and just stick with having fun.
Cheers
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Why do zone training on the club run?????
Why do zone training on the club run?????
by Marek » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:21 pm
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Re: Why do zone training on the club run?????
by Robh » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:26 pm
Marek,
It can be done spent 10 days in Marllorca doing this, just needs a dedicated group.
Why are they doing it? Because people are allowed to do what ever they want in this world and your entitled to your opinion as well.
Rob
It can be done spent 10 days in Marllorca doing this, just needs a dedicated group.
Why are they doing it? Because people are allowed to do what ever they want in this world and your entitled to your opinion as well.
Rob
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Re: Why do zone training on the club run?????
by Robh » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:31 pm
Not so easy Sean?
Where did you struggle?
My own experience I had 99% total control of my HR in the 17s - SHOCK! When it dropped I upped the cadence, when it rosed on the flats I slowed down the cadence.
Just up Reigate steps I was LPB-5 rest of the route around LBP-20. Can be done...
Rob
Where did you struggle?
My own experience I had 99% total control of my HR in the 17s - SHOCK! When it dropped I upped the cadence, when it rosed on the flats I slowed down the cadence.
Just up Reigate steps I was LPB-5 rest of the route around LBP-20. Can be done...
Rob
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Re: Why do zone training on the club run?????
by Robh » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:38 pm
[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"][quote="Robh"]Not so easy Sean?
Where did you struggle?
Where did you struggle?
Why? I got really bored very quickly. I also kept thinking that this can't be right. LBP-20 as the max? Maybe as the average HR then it is achieveable, though that does beg the question...why bother. Anyway, it was interesting in a way as I found trying to control my breathing had real and dramatic effects on my HR. I also never once thought about Victoria Pendleton. Had that happened I might as well have pulled over and walked to the caff as my HR would never recover for at least 24 hours.
I ride @ LBP-20 for the whole ride, only a few occasions it goes above this but usually no more than LBP-5 when I'm up steep climbs.
I think you going to struggle and probably give up in a few weeks time. Why? Because your bored already!
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Re: Why do zone training on the club run?????
by Marek » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:40 pm
Rob, a dedicated group with a similar heart rate zone which does not seem to the necessarily be the case with your guinea pigs.
Surely they don't need to control it going up the small hills on the club run, I would have thought if they could find a group that goes in the right sort of zone that they should stick with that as opposed to slowing off on the hills, isn't that taking it a bit too far. I would have thought that people are morel likely to give this type of training up if they can't ride in a group as they are slowing off on the hills.
And yes this is my opinion and you can do what you like.
Cheers
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Surely they don't need to control it going up the small hills on the club run, I would have thought if they could find a group that goes in the right sort of zone that they should stick with that as opposed to slowing off on the hills, isn't that taking it a bit too far. I would have thought that people are morel likely to give this type of training up if they can't ride in a group as they are slowing off on the hills.
And yes this is my opinion and you can do what you like.
Cheers
Marek......
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Re: Why do zone training on the club run?????
by Robh » Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:43 pm
[quote="Marek"]Rob, a dedicated group with a similar heart rate zone which does not seem to the necessarily be the case with your guinea pigs.
Surely they don't need to control it going up the small hills on the club run, I would have thought if they could find a group that goes in the right sort of zone that they should stick with that as opposed to slowing off on the hills, isn't that taking it a bit too far. I would have thought that people are morel likely to give this type of training up if they can't ride in a group as they are slowing off on the hills.
And yes this is my opinion and you can do what you like.
Cheers
Marek......
Surely they don't need to control it going up the small hills on the club run, I would have thought if they could find a group that goes in the right sort of zone that they should stick with that as opposed to slowing off on the hills, isn't that taking it a bit too far. I would have thought that people are morel likely to give this type of training up if they can't ride in a group as they are slowing off on the hills.
And yes this is my opinion and you can do what you like.
Cheers
Marek......
Too far? No just different...Like I said it was done in Mallorca with great success. The stronger rides were on the front and the less strong riders were behind everyone got their workout they wanted i na tightly formed group.
How these guys ride is up to them I just test...
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). I'm sure in Michelle's case she was riding at probably less than 70 % of her maximum. Quite a few sports scientists and Exercise Physiologisists have said that riding at less than 70% of your max is pretty ineffective. Now admittedly I don't know what training Michelle has done all week. Perhaps she's doing some moderately intensive stuff in which case thats fine; perhaps she's burnt out (I doubt it 
A great rebuttal, I'm sure the LBP crew are real proud. 