Spin My Mate

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Spin My Mate

Postby Paul H » Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:39 pm

My friend Richard Wilder is a successful Triathlete/Duathlete. He wins include the European AG Triathlon & Welsh Duathlon Championships and he usualy does the best bike time. He did a 22min 10 mile TT last year and beat all the elite duathletes last weekend on the bike including Alistair Browne who came 12th in the Olympics last year.

Believe it or not, he hardly ever goes cycling. He is a gym instructor and his bike training just consists of just running spin classes. He does 3 sessions one after the other twice a week. I have done his class and it consists of short sprints/spins at various cadences.

Not sure what you take from this but thought I would share it anyway.

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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Keith » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:58 am

[quote="Paul H"]Not sure what you take from this but thought I would share it anyway.


Forget buying a winter bike, mudguards, a decent coat, thermal clothing, etc, and don't bother going out in the freezing cold.

Just go to your local spin classes instead :?:
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby carl f » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:02 am

He beat some very good athletes in the national elite race!
Paul,If you look at some of the run times at the lower end of the nat elite race,they are surprisingly slow for elite standard,(but still very good compared to a lowly AGer like me) do you not think?
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Ivor » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:21 am

Interesting, one point I'd make is though that he's perhaps missing out on valuable bike handling practice and getting to know just how much grip you've got in the wet.
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Rob Q » Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:58 am

That’s very interesting. I try to do at least 2 spin classes a week and although its great to keep the legs ticking over I have always used it primarily just for that. I always feel its just a mad 45 min session and always wondered how many miles a 45 - 60 min spin session generates? Perhaps your mate has some idea?
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Paul H » Tue Apr 28, 2009 8:57 pm

The bikes dont have speedos but from what I experienced on his session, the mileage is very low.
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Sylv » Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:38 pm

I still don't get the pun?
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby huw williams » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:41 am

Awesome :D This is pretty extreme training at the high end.

If you spin (at elite level classes) it consists of long threshold and above intervals. I don't know how long his classes are but even just 40 minutes each would mean he's doing 120 mins by doing 3 back to back.
Thats 2 hours of very high quality threshold work at mega fast cadences twice a week. You might say that's not very much in terms of riding time per week but it's extremely high quality and his race results reveal that he's only racing (on the bike) for around an hour at a time anyway. The mileage isn't a factor, as long as he's on the bike for his event time plus a bit more he's being highly specific.

Can you get him out on a training group ride Paul?
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Paul H » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:03 pm

His sessions are 45mins inc warm up, warm down and stretching so only about 20mins of spinning. Its a basic session of very short spins/sprints aimed at the general gym chaff.
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Marek » Thu Apr 30, 2009 8:24 pm

http://www.thefredcast.com/?p=731

There is an interesting bit on this episode of the Fredcast. I am hearing quite a lot more about very short sharp intervals helping significantly improving performance. There is a bit on this podcast at about 20mins in or so. A bit yankee, but quite interesting.

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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Robh » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:25 pm

[quote="Marek"]http://www.thefredcast.com/?p=731

There is an interesting bit on this episode of the Fredcast. I am hearing quite a lot more about very short sharp intervals helping significantly improving performance. There is a bit on this podcast at about 20mins in or so. A bit yankee, but quite interesting.

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Marek,

Here's a study against high intensity for mitochondrial biogenesis :-

" Metabolic Acidosis Reduces Exercise-induced Up-regulation of PGC-Ialpha mRNA."
D. Bishop,J.Edge,T.Mundel, E. Hawk, M.Leikis, H.Pilegaard University of Verona Italy., University of Palmerston North New Zealand,Wellington Hospital New Zealand, University of Copenhagen Denmark.

Purpose :
Recent research has shown that sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3) supplementation during interval exercise rersults in greater improvement in mitochondiral respiration and endurance performance. It was hypothesised that this may have been due to a negative effect of metabolic acidosis on the up-regulation of genes responsible for aerobic adaptation. A key regulator of mitochondrial biogenesis is peroxisome proliferator activated receptor gamma co-activator (PGC-I) alpha. The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of metabolically-induced acidosis on the exercise mediated mRNA response on PGC-Ialpha mRNA expression.

Methods:
Eight active males performed 10 x 2 min cycle intervals at 80 % VO2 max intensity on two separate occasions ( 2 weeks apart).Participants ingested either ammonium chloride ( acidosis) or calcium carbonate (Placebo ) the day before and on the day of the exercise trial in a randomized, counterbalanced order,using a cross over design. Biopsis were taken from the vastus lateralis muscle before, immediately after exercise and also after 2 and 6 hours recovery. The RNA content of PGC-Ialpha was determind by RT-PCR and normalized to total cDNA content determind by OliGreen.

Result:
Exercise markedly increased PGC-Ialpha mRNA content at 2 and 6 h of recovery in both conditions. However, ACIDOSIS was associated with a supressed response relative to the Placebo condition at 2 and 6 h of recovery ( 2 - 3 fold decrease , respectively. A similar response was also observed for citrate syntase mRNA at 2 h recovery.

Conclusion:
The present data demonstrate that metabolic acidosis reduces exercise enduced up -regulation of PGC -I alpha m RNA, suggesting that metabolic acidosis may interfere with training induced mitochondrial biogenesis."
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Re: Spin My Mate

Postby Will » Mon May 04, 2009 10:01 am

[quote="Paul H"]His sessions are 45mins inc warm up, warm down and stretching so only about 20mins of spinning. Its a basic session of very short spins/sprints aimed at the general gym chaff.


When I did spin classes there were 9 tracks, and you would warm up and then cool down with the first and last, with the other 7 tracks being used for the work, so you'd get 30 to 35 minutes of hard exercise

I had a rule that if I hadn't started dripping with sweat by the end of the 3rd track then I had to leave the class: fortunately I never had to put that rule into practice :)

The best things about it were:
- being able to get up to maximum intensity very quickly (more quickly that if you're going out for a ride on your bike)
- being able to change the intensity whenever you wanted (i.e. by altering the resistance rather than having to wait for a hill!)
- working through a pre-defined set of intervals mixing "hills" and "race" styles of riding
- having a pre-organised set of tracks played back for you (so avoid the hassle of sorting out your own music!)
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