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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Dan_K » Tue May 25, 2010 4:19 pm

Why not start small and arrange a series of Audaxes?

Riders find their own way so no signage. All you need then is a decent HQ and some refreshments.
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Alan M » Tue May 25, 2010 4:56 pm

Thanks everybody for the good ideas and advice. Should I get the opportunity to go ahead I will certainly come back to some of you to follow up on the thinking.I have already had several offers of practical support and assistance. I now have a slot on the next committee and they can decide if it is a runner or not.

I doubt that it will be possible to square all the circles in this debate but I shall certainly do my best to take everyone's points into account and deliver something of which you can all be proud.

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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Dan_K » Tue May 25, 2010 5:27 pm

How about a sportive from the ACC clubhouse to Deal in Kent?

We could call it "Deal or no Deal"
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Scott » Wed May 26, 2010 10:29 am

My thoughts are that we stage the Sportive with Alans mates in 'Peru' and possibly combine it with a trek across the Inca Trail - It would make a great Dualthlon.
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Jon H » Wed May 26, 2010 10:42 am

Could make a Peruvian link by having a feed stop at the llama farm on the Ashdown Forest.
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Dombo » Wed May 26, 2010 1:58 pm

And perhaps start at Paddington, in honour of the fictional Peruvian bear of that name?
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Dombo » Wed May 26, 2010 1:59 pm

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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Jon C C on a Bianchi » Fri May 28, 2010 10:10 pm

[quote="Andrew G"][quote="Paul H"]How is the volunteer situation going with our current commitments do we have enough for this as well?

As well as usual I think :roll: . I know Tamar only just had enough to fill the minimum required for the 25 and George was chasing up quite late for the handicap..

I'm all in favour of doing as much as we can as a club, but think that we should ensure that all our current commitments are met properly first. It's a common moan but 70-100 on a CR each week is nothing to boast about to me when it's such hard work to get folk out to help in an Addiscombe promotion, and then it's often the same faces doing numerous duties during the course of the year. It's a club requirement of each of those 70-100 to help out and even if it's a pain in the backside getting up early to help at a TT is a few hours on one morning a year too much to ask?


I've never understood why we can't publicly praise those that do their bit and name and shame those that don't. If you don't do your bit you shouldn't be welcome on the CR, club TTs, road race or whatever! (BTW still haven't have my fiver for marshalling the club road race!!!)
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Jojo » Fri May 28, 2010 11:04 pm

[quote="Jon C C on a Bianchi"]I've never understood why we can't publicly praise those that do their bit and name and shame those that don't. If you don't do your bit you shouldn't be welcome on the CR, club TTs, road race or whatever! (BTW still haven't have my fiver for marshalling the club road race!!!)
I think the PERU thing is brilliant. balls to any parochial local charity nonsense! A bit of world wide workers' SOLIDARITY is totally in order!! Cyclist of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your chains! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Jon, if you took that stance, you will find 85% of the club would disappear. I know it states on when becoming a member we are obliged to fulfil marshalling duties, but there is a big majority who just come out for the CR and have no interest in racing, TT etc etc and shouldn't have to be pressurised or made to feel they are not welcome because of this. I dont know what the answer is, but nameing and shaming isn't one. I do however often read the thank you comments from those riders to the marshals. Anyway, I think Alan's string has been hijacked (Sorry).
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Andrew G » Sat May 29, 2010 9:17 am

[quote="Jojo"]I know it states on when becoming a member we are obliged to fulfil marshalling duties, but there is a big majority who just come out for the CR and have no interest in racing, TT etc etc and shouldn't have to be pressurised or made to feel they are not welcome because of this.

As you say it is an obligation when you sign up to be a member, whether you want to race or not. Addiscombe is not unique and you would find that if you joined just about any club in the country then you would have the same obligation, except as most of their memberships are smaller you would have to do more duties than that which Addiscombe require you to.

One of the principle reasons cycling clubs exist is to support grass roots cycle sport and without clubs promoting events then the sport would die off. It is due to the hard work done by cycling clubs and its members in promoting events that the likes of Wiggins, Cavendish, Boardman, and any other British pro (past or present) you mention have been able to get in to the sport and achieve what they have - supporting them in their early days. A lot of people take their first steps in racing after having been to an event having not realised that it interested them before, same as they didn't know they liked cycling as much as they do before joining a club and going on a club run.

I think it's very unfortunate that so many people just want to take from the club. When helping at a race you also get to mix with others with the same interest and can meet new friends, and with an early morning TT you could get a lift out from someone who's racing and then have a nice ride home afterwards taking in some new lanes and a different route as you are going pointy to point and not having to do a loop.

Sorry if this feels like a hijack Alan, but I think one of the main considerations to Addiscombe doing any new event is the how, and without people prepared to help out then that event is going to struggle and a Sportive would need a lot of helpers to do it properly. If labelling something as a sportive and charging that price then you need marshals at nearly all the junctions and turns to do them properly so that people come come back and write rave reviews on their club's forum.
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Alan M » Sat May 29, 2010 5:21 pm

[quote="Andrew G"][quote="Jojo"]I know it states on when becoming a member we are obliged to fulfil marshalling duties, but there is a big majority who just come out for the CR and have no interest in racing, TT etc etc and shouldn't have to be pressurised or made to feel they are not welcome because of this.

As you say it is an obligation when you sign up to be a member, whether you want to race or not. Addiscombe is not unique and you would find that if you joined just about any club in the country then you would have the same obligation, except as most of their memberships are smaller you would have to do more duties than that which Addiscombe require you to.

One of the principle reasons cycling clubs exist is to support grass roots cycle sport and without clubs promoting events then the sport would die off. It is due to the hard work done by cycling clubs and its members in promoting events that the likes of Wiggins, Cavendish, Boardman, and any other British pro (past or present) you mention have been able to get in to the sport and achieve what they have - supporting them in their early days. A lot of people take their first steps in racing after having been to an event having not realised that it interested them before, same as they didn't know they liked cycling as much as they do before joining a club and going on a club run.

I think it's very unfortunate that so many people just want to take from the club. When helping at a race you also get to mix with others with the same interest and can meet new friends, and with an early morning TT you could get a lift out from someone who's racing and then have a nice ride home afterwards taking in some new lanes and a different route as you are going pointy to point and not having to do a loop.

Sorry if this feels like a hijack Alan, but I think one of the main considerations to Addiscombe doing any new event is the how, and without people prepared to help out then that event is going to struggle and a Sportive would need a lot of helpers to do it properly. If labelling something as a sportive and charging that price then you need marshals at nearly all the junctions and turns to do them properly so that people come come back and write rave reviews on their club's forum.


Never fear Andrew I will use my personal charm and charisma to get helpers! - I thought that given your encyclopedic knowledge of country lanes that you might like to be my honorary Route Director? 8)
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Andrew G » Sat May 29, 2010 6:07 pm

You smoothie Alan :wink: . I'd be happy to help out in some way if it got the go ahead, I hope your charm works through the top of peoples heads though as whenever helpers are requested at the start of a CR there's a lot of shoe examining that goes on.
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Re: ACC Sportive

Postby Alan M » Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:06 am

Last evening's committee meeting gave in principle approval to this proposal including support for the emerging Peruvian cycling club that I mentioned. That is great so now the task is to make it happen. Probably we are looking at around this time next year. Some of you have already been kind enough to offer support and I will be approaching others for some initial advice as I move to fleshing out a project plan to be further submitted to the committee at its next meeting. I have added a photo of my friend Richard one of the riders we may be able to support. He is an Engineering student funding his own university education working in a family cycle repair shop which comprises of no more than a corrugated iron covered yard, a bench and 2 vices. They don't even have a bike stand! The race at which he won 2nd place was in Chiclayo a 12 hour bus ride from Cajamarca over the Andes Mountains. He and others fund this from meagre personal resources. That said they are super committed and quite fast! Thanks for your help and any support you can offer.[url]http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2064569&id=1388179710#!/photo.php?pid=31321414&id=1388179710[/url]
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