Floyd drops the second bomb

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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:59 pm

[quote="virek"]@Dombo : It seems that no traceable proof is no proof in its own right anymore.

A seasoned drink driver who avoids the police for 10 years is no less a drink driver.

I'm not saying that Lance is cheating or lying. Its just that that argument is very weak at best.

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If proof is not traceable then it is not proof, just hearsay. And as "drink driver" is by definition somebody who has been convicted of drink-driving then he would not be so if he had indeed managed to avoid the police for 10 years. Only once caught and convicted could he then be punished for his crime.
That is why we have laws, rules of evidence, courts and juries, rather than ducking stools and mobs with pitchforks. Of course, you may not like due process when it does not produce the result you want, but one day you may be glad of it.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:20 am

Brilliant Marco, chapeau! :D
Flash is however, in the eyes of the law, still innocent until proven guilty; and like LA would have recourse against anyone who publicly suggested otherwise, directly or by over-laboured innuendo.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Alex P » Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:46 pm

Good one Marco..... :)
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby higg » Fri Jun 11, 2010 1:05 pm

I think I know the guy you mean, Marco, I seen him at the bar, all smiles, throwing his arms about and singing his heart out. Gets a bit narky if you confront him though. The other day he took exception to this italian bloke who was talking about some lessons he had with flash guys driving instructor. Flash guy had a word with the bar man and had him thrown out, I think he must be well connected.

Like you say, I've seen him stagger to the car a few times but can never be sure whether he drinks or not, I've never actually seen him drink beer, it looks like fruit juice, but you can't tell from a distance.

Mind you, a few of his old mates have been put away for drink driving when they moved to the next town. It's all a bit fishy if you ask me.


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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby kieran » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:26 pm

I don't know guys, why can't you just accept that Lance was such an exceptional athlete that all of the other best cyclists in the world, who doped in their desperation to topple Lance, couldn't beat him for 7 years in a row.
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Alex P » Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:56 pm

I'd stand by that........
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dombo » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:11 pm

[quote="Alex P"]I'd stand by that........


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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Phil H » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:24 pm

Well, my son points out that Merckx won 11 grand tours - which is far more impressive than Lance's 7 - and Merckx always rode clean. Didn't he?
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Ben » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:27 pm

Interesting thread , detailed history , page 18 has some interesting stats.

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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dan_K » Fri Jun 11, 2010 3:43 pm

I think Lance's wins were in an era where very few rode clean. You can argue whether the top riders are riding clean today or not but he's in a no win situation.

I think the problem with LA is that everyone wants to see him fail because of his personality. He's like Marmite. Personally, I don't like him. I think he's brash and arrogant and full of himself.
He is an exceptional talent. You can't take that away from him. PEDs or not, he's a great cyclist.
The problem is that cycling's trying to go through a change and Lance is a rider caught between 2 eras of cycling.
What should he do?
Admit to taking PEDs (if he did as is being alledged) and undermine all he's achieved?
Continue to deny it, play out the next couple of years and move into other areas of life and use his cycling fame as a base to greater things.

Going back to the drink driving theme. In the 60's and 70's, drink driving was more socially acceptable.
So your old school drink driver gets a job as the police chief. What has he got to gain from admitting his mistakes in an era when to many, it was an acceptable way of life?
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Marcus » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:01 pm

Very well put Dan.
BTW Have you been to Paris yet? If not when are you off?
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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Dan_K » Fri Jun 11, 2010 4:54 pm

[quote="Marcus"]Very well put Dan.
BTW Have you been to Paris yet? If not when are you off?


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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Sylv » Fri Jun 11, 2010 9:14 pm

[quote]Re: Floyd drops the second bomb


Told him not too eat that much chili!



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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

Postby Paul H » Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:45 pm

Perhaps the breathalysers do work and Mr Flash drinks shandy.

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Re: Floyd drops the second bomb

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