Talking of speculation, why do you think Adam Blythe left the BCF academy ? Obviously the right decision for him. Does it say anything about the current set up ?
I don't think any of the recent crop, where stagiaires this year. Could be wrong.
Secondly anyone believe this story (few months old), given there's no quote from the rider.
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/euskalt ... ts-cycling
TdF Winn+r?
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Re: TdF Winn+r?
by Ben » Tue Oct 05, 2010 3:40 pm
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Re: TdF Winn+r?
by -Adam- » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:11 pm
[quote="Ben"]Talking of speculation, why do you think Adam Blythe left the BCF academy ? Obviously the right decision for him. Does it say anything about the current set up ?
I don't think any of the recent crop, where stagiaires this year. Could be wrong.
I don't think any of the recent crop, where stagiaires this year. Could be wrong.
No, you are right. No one from the academy this year is set to go pro next year. And it is the first year this has been the case, possibly since the creation of the academy. I'm not sure exactly. Blythe left the academy because he didn't want to be pushed into track riding so much, and had excellent connections in Belgium, and thus a place on one of the best amateur teams here. Then all he had to do was ride his bike, which he did, rather well. As you can see, the academy is not the only way to go pro.
And yes, I was wrong about Landis.
And no, I'm not saying Contador is guilty or innocent. I just resent the fact that some people will jump at any opportunity to shoot someone down. My real point is that the UCI and WADA exist for a reason, they are in charge, when they have passed judgement, feel free to burn him alive. But all the trial by media/annonymous web forum posting that goes on quite frankly makes me really depressed.
And I'll tell you why, say for example, I ''tested positive'' for a banned substance. This is not entirely out of the realms of possibility. I've been tested twice this year, but you never hear back that your clean, only if you go positive for something. All I know is that luckily, I haven't had the misfortune of taking something which was either contaminated, or contained things I didn't know about. And believe me, I have to be really careful on this stuff. Because say I did test positive, that would be it, any possibility of a pro career gone, in a heartbeat. I wouldn't have the means to fight the case, I'd be gone. Whether I was innocent or not would cease to be relevant, because of peoples bloody-minded-ness when it comes to this stuff.
Imagine for a second that Contador is in fact innocent. That maybe, 95% of what you have read about him in the last 5 days is actually complete bollocks... It won't matter, because of all the sh!t that gets written about him, he'll always have a black mark against him.
So in reply to Virek, I'm not trying to lead a ''hounding'' of Marco. I'm just trying to make people realise that there will always be more to these things than meet the eye, so just be patient, and let justice be done by those with the power to do so. Then, and only then, if he's guilty, I'll knock the stake into the ground, tie him to it, and have the matches ready for you...
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Re: TdF Winn+r?
by Sylv » Tue Oct 05, 2010 5:29 pm
[quote="-Adam-"] I'll knock the stake into the ground,
Must .. resist .. commenting
Joking aside, well put Adam
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Re: TdF Winn+r?
by virek » Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:13 pm
@Adam.
Not suggesting you were leading a hounding. Apologies if I gave that impression.
Yes, you are right. It is possible that what we've been reading in the press etc is complete rot. In a funny way I hope it is.
But don't confuse our open forum whereby we get to express our feelings/thoughts etc with canning the career of a pro cyclist. Really, we're not that influential !
I've been on this forum quite a while now and have seen a steady turn against Marco and others prepared to start a discussion on these subjects that are obviously touchy, passionate, emotive and polarising.
Part of the problem that exists is that the authorities in charge, mostly the UCI, are not being as transparent or as honest as they should be. Only this morning I read on Cycling News that AC now says that Pat McQuaid told him to keep schtum on the subject as it'll all be cleaned up, only it wasn't....fair enough, keep quite to the likes of us (general public, media etc) , but to his team(s) ? Now surely that doesn't make sense.
I am lead to understand that the tests done by properly accredited, scientifically validated labs, tend to filter out the odd contamination from a couple of drops of duff cough mixture or the like. Its usually the use of statistics and probability that determines this. Its not an exact science. If the labs put out the results in the raw, every rider in the peloton would be +ve for exactly the reasons you are suggesting.
You are right we shouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly or be prepared to burn the witch because she floats until the close approximation of truth is out. None of us are doing that though. I'll say it again, all is being said is "That looks dodgy. Have you heard about this ? This doesn't seem right" etc.
I think you're being a bit melodramatic about your example of yourself. Sorry, I'm not trying to bait you or wind you up, its my opinion. I'm not in your situation so I don't know if its justified or not either, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and that's it, I apologise un-reservedly. I would like to think that should that situation arise you would still progress get a pro contract etc without too much difficulty if it was merited. The general public however might not let go, but that's a fact of life, there's no accounting for stupidity.
All I want, honestly, is for an athlete who is caught to say, straight away, not after court cases, smearing, denial etc, "fair cop guv" and give up the facts of how it came to be, who helped him (its impossible to do on your own). Be a f-ing man, in simple terms.
For the purposes of fairplay too. My name is Matthew Cowen. I was in the Addiscombe for a couple of years before finding somewhere more sunny to live
(Marco can't change my username to Matthew, is it possible?)
Not suggesting you were leading a hounding. Apologies if I gave that impression.
Yes, you are right. It is possible that what we've been reading in the press etc is complete rot. In a funny way I hope it is.
But don't confuse our open forum whereby we get to express our feelings/thoughts etc with canning the career of a pro cyclist. Really, we're not that influential !
I've been on this forum quite a while now and have seen a steady turn against Marco and others prepared to start a discussion on these subjects that are obviously touchy, passionate, emotive and polarising.
Part of the problem that exists is that the authorities in charge, mostly the UCI, are not being as transparent or as honest as they should be. Only this morning I read on Cycling News that AC now says that Pat McQuaid told him to keep schtum on the subject as it'll all be cleaned up, only it wasn't....fair enough, keep quite to the likes of us (general public, media etc) , but to his team(s) ? Now surely that doesn't make sense.
I am lead to understand that the tests done by properly accredited, scientifically validated labs, tend to filter out the odd contamination from a couple of drops of duff cough mixture or the like. Its usually the use of statistics and probability that determines this. Its not an exact science. If the labs put out the results in the raw, every rider in the peloton would be +ve for exactly the reasons you are suggesting.
You are right we shouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly or be prepared to burn the witch because she floats until the close approximation of truth is out. None of us are doing that though. I'll say it again, all is being said is "That looks dodgy. Have you heard about this ? This doesn't seem right" etc.
I think you're being a bit melodramatic about your example of yourself. Sorry, I'm not trying to bait you or wind you up, its my opinion. I'm not in your situation so I don't know if its justified or not either, so if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and that's it, I apologise un-reservedly. I would like to think that should that situation arise you would still progress get a pro contract etc without too much difficulty if it was merited. The general public however might not let go, but that's a fact of life, there's no accounting for stupidity.
All I want, honestly, is for an athlete who is caught to say, straight away, not after court cases, smearing, denial etc, "fair cop guv" and give up the facts of how it came to be, who helped him (its impossible to do on your own). Be a f-ing man, in simple terms.
For the purposes of fairplay too. My name is Matthew Cowen. I was in the Addiscombe for a couple of years before finding somewhere more sunny to live
(Marco can't change my username to Matthew, is it possible?)
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Re: TdF Winn+r?
by Mike I » Tue Oct 05, 2010 10:21 pm
[quote="Sylv"]Yeh give him a break, now he also has the Spanish farmers on his back
I imagine the French farmers won't be too happy that he felt the need to bring Spanish beef into the "gastronomic capital of the world" either. They'll be setting fire to sheep carcases before we know it.
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