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All the gears, no ideas

Postby Phil H » Mon May 16, 2011 1:07 pm

I'm thinking of making Tom's bike "race legal". At the moment he's running a 50/34 chainset with a 12-25 8 speed cassette. I think that if I changed the big chainring for a 44 and built up a 15-27 cassette then that should just about make him legal. Of course, the British Cycling website being what it is, actually finding the gear restriction rules is proving difficult.

Anyway, what I was wondering was a) will it work and b) where's the best place to get the bits?

I'm not sure if he wants to race much - apart from the odd Go Ride event - but big gears can't be good for small knees. They aren't much good for my knees either.
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Dan_K » Mon May 16, 2011 1:46 pm

I think I know what the real problem is here Phil - he's faster than you isn't he?

Competitive dad has to sink to dirty methods to limit his talented son. Hang your head in shame......
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Phil H » Mon May 16, 2011 2:22 pm

[quote="Dan_K"]I think I know what the real problem is here Phil - he's faster than you isn't he?

Competitive dad has to sink to dirty methods to limit his talented son. Hang your head in shame......

Not yet - but it's only a matter of time.
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Paul H » Mon May 16, 2011 2:30 pm

You could just disable the big ring for the race.

Sometimes the bigger non legal gears are handy if he is doing the CR so he can keep up on the descents. There has been a discussion about junior gears on this forum before (which Adam lost).
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Phil H » Mon May 16, 2011 2:50 pm

[quote="Paul H"]You could just disable the big ring for the race.

Sometimes the bigger non legal gears are handy if he is doing the CR so he can keep up on the descents. There has been a discussion about junior gears on this forum before (which Adam lost).

That's what we did before in a Go Ride event (well, he agreed not to use it). For those flat races, 8 gears is probably plenty. I've never seen him use the 50/12 combo even on a descent - once he gets over 30mph he's not inclined to pedal much.

Mainly I'd just like him to use smaller gears and stop mashing. And I reckon something like 34/44 would be more comfortable than the massive jump to 50.

Might do a quick Box Hill loop tonight and see how he gets on just using the 34. That's providing I'm not dead after mashing up the hill into the wind on my overgeared fixie.
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby MJ_1993 » Mon May 16, 2011 6:12 pm

Paul Tunnell I believe knows this rather well after the ACC road race a couple of years ago at Hillingdon where he restricted my gears. If you cant find the restrictions on the BC website then he should know them! I think he also knows all the tricks as to how to get pass it too...
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Keith » Mon May 16, 2011 6:30 pm

From this year's BC Handbook:

    YOUTH CATEGORY GEAR RESTRICTIONS

    CATEGORY ROAD RACING TRACK RACING ROLLER RACING
    YOUTH A 6.93 metres 6.93 metres 7.93 metres
    YOUTH B 6.45 metres 6.45 metres 7.40 metres
    YOUTH C 6.05 metres 6.05 metres 6.94 metres
    YOUTH D 5.40 metres for all events
    YOUTH E 5.10 metres for all events


[url=http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/zuvvi/media/bc_files/coaching_tools_forms/gear_chart.doc]Link to some gear tables.[/url]
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Sylv » Mon May 16, 2011 6:45 pm

[quote="Mo Jaffer"] If you cant find the restrictions on the BC website then he should know them! I think he also knows all the tricks as to how to get pass it too...

Oval chainrings ?
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Andrew G » Mon May 16, 2011 8:28 pm

Getting a smaller big ring would help as it would mean he had more useful gears in his range and that would be more useful more of the time for him. You can restrict the gears for the race by just adjusting the limit screw at the rear mech so he can't get to the smaller sprockets which is what PVT did to Mo's bike for the ACC road race.
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Phil H » Mon May 16, 2011 9:03 pm

I reckon so. I don't know about him, but I've come to really hate the jump from the 50 to the 34 (or vice-versa). When my chainrings go I'll probably replace the chainset with a standard double. And then punch myself in the face at the top of Whitedown.

It's just finding somewhere that will sell me a 44T (or 42T in a 110mm BCD) FSA chainring in the same nice black finish as his existing one (oo - then I'll have a spare 50!).

Keith: Thanks. I've seen that chart but the bit of information that's missing is what age "Youth A" is. I think he's a "Youth C" at the moment.

Dan: I did go out with him after labouring up the hill home on the fixie. He ripped my legs off on the climbs.
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Keith » Mon May 16, 2011 9:16 pm

[quote="Phil Hawkes"]Keith: Thanks. I've seen that chart but the bit of information that's missing is what age "Youth A" is. I think he's a "Youth C" at the moment.


    Youth C - Under 12 - From 1 January in year of 11th Birthday until 31 December in year of 12 birthday
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Re: All the gears, no ideas

Postby Dan_K » Tue May 17, 2011 3:54 pm

[quote="Phil Hawkes"]Dan: I did go out with him after labouring up the hill home on the fixie. He ripped my legs off on the climbs.


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