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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby John G » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:32 am

[quote="Andrew G"]Ditch a licence and unaffilate...not much good for someone to enjoy their hobby of racing or for the club's support of grass roots racing.
Everyone does it to make them listen? No, you just destroy grass roots road racing.


OK, well how do we get rid of McQuaid and Verbruggen :?: :!: :!: :?: :?
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Phil H » Fri Oct 26, 2012 11:57 am

[quote="John G"][quote="Andrew G"]Ditch a licence and unaffilate...not much good for someone to enjoy their hobby of racing or for the club's support of grass roots racing.
Everyone does it to make them listen? No, you just destroy grass roots road racing.


OK, well how do we get rid of McQuaid and Verbruggen :?: :!: :!: :?: :?

It's a tricky one. There is clearly a lot of opposition to the UCI leadership. Look at the speed with which the Kimmage defense fund raised money - from ordinary cyclists generally. It seems stupid that many who have donated to this are also effectively funding the "other side" via their BC contributions. However remember that BC aren't only funded by members - there's taxpayer and lottery cash in there too. A quick Google doesn't give a specific breakdown as to proportions - more research needed. Even if the membership could force BC into action, what action could they take? Disaffiliate from the UCI?

How do you solve a problem like McQuaid?
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby John G » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:03 pm

[quote="Phil the Pie"]How do you solve a problem like McQuaid?


[img]http://us4palin.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/smoking-gun-12-7-2011.jpg[/img]

Extreme :?: :!: I am really pissed off with this guy :!: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Phil H » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:11 pm

[quote="John G"][quote="Phil the Pie"]How do you solve a problem like McQuaid?


Extreme :?: :!: I am really pissed off with this guy :!: :evil: :evil: :evil:

Harsh but fair.

I am about a third of the way into the Hamilton book (uncensored, US copy). It states that the UCI didn't want to catch certain riders. It would've rather spoiled the 1999 "tour of redemption" narrative that they wanted to keep after 98.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Andrew G » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:01 pm

[quote="marco"]...people want to race local events first and foremost and no amount of time trials and sportives will change that.

Plus the fact that most fans have still got the blinkers on and don't really want to see what's going on in the pro game.

Time trials are racing Marco :roll: , don't tar them in the same bracket as sportives which can (and many are) run with no police notifcation or consideration for any offical organised races in the area. The lack of a governing body for sportives is a massive problem, there is no redress for organisers of races who their events disrupt or local residents who wish to make a complaint. TTs and road races are organised under a set of guidelines which must be adhered to and if any member of the public has a complaint then there s a process for them to use knowing that it will be looked in to.

On the second point, a lot of people are also blinkered to only see one side of professional racing.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby John G » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:07 pm

Cracking news piece from Australian TV :!: :!:

Just watched it during my lunch

[url]http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/10/11/3608613.htm[/url]
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby DavidKennett » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:15 pm

Some good articles coming from the Aussie jurno's, though interesting to see how Brad and Alberto get on given their opposing views.... Team Saxo could be fun.

Another sad note closer to home, " Marcel Six of Metaltek Scott has been banned for 18 months for refusing to provide a urine sample at a Tour Series event in May."
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby John G » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:20 pm

Another cracking read :!:

[url]http://inrng.com/2012/10/aigcp-cpa-mpcc-invisible/[/url]

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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Keith » Fri Oct 26, 2012 1:53 pm

[quote="Grahame"]And that is why I haven't been a BC member for about 8 years!

To our racers - give up road racing for a year. Send a message to BC that you will not tolerate them putting up with the corruption at UCI (which part of your BC membership goes to fund).

But has BC the slightest idea that you're protesting?

I'll repeat what I posted on Grahame's FB page to the same issue:

[quote="Keith"]If everyone gives up their race licence for a year, what do you expect to be there to come back to one year later? Grass roots road racing struggles enough as it is. You'd be removing support for the local volunteers on which the sport relies so heavily. And for what? To maybe send a message to BC who may send a message to the UCI that people aren't happy with their current management.

I don't think the ends justifies the means.

Don't like the situation? Then do something positive, rather than something negative. Contact BC and let them know your opinion. Write to them. Call them. Attend their meetings.

Health permitting, expect to see me on the start line of local road races next year.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Phil H » Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:35 pm

The British Cycling regional AGM was on recently. Nobody from Addiscombe went - except PvT and he's on the BC committee. I know it wasn't publicized on here but the e-mail went round the ACC committee.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Daniel Gee » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:24 pm

But A.G.M or no A.G.M we are still in a unique position to lobby Mr Paul Tunnell, the Secretary for BC south east region. At least until he loses his temper anyway.

[quote="Grahame"]Should we put a motion to the AGM that the club disaffiliates from BC until such time as it demonstrates that it does not support a corrupt UCI?


Grahame I felt your suggestion was disingenuous rather than controversial, by your own admission the decision to leave BC would cost you nothing personally, do you think you are right to press for other Addiscombe members to be forced to give up either; racing or the club?

And considering the lead British Cycling has taken in clean competition in recent years how helpful is to withdraw our support for an incredibly successful organisation that has been nothing but a force for good in the sport?
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Phil H » Fri Oct 26, 2012 4:44 pm

Is it fair to pick on PvT? Outside of committee meetings I mean.

[url=http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-management-committee-will-not-reallocate-armstrongs-tours]Breaking news[/url] UCI suspends Kimmage case, announces "independent" commission to look at allegations of UCI complicity in Armstrong case.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Elliot M » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:12 pm

I wonder if the IOC had started hinting what a shame it would be if the UCI weren't able to attend Beijing in 4 years time.
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Grahame » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:00 pm

[quote="Keith"][quote="Grahame"]And that is why I haven't been a BC member for about 8 years!

To our racers - give up road racing for a year. Send a message to BC that you will not tolerate them putting up with the corruption at UCI (which part of your BC membership goes to fund).

But has BC the slightest idea that you're protesting?

I'll repeat what I posted on Grahame's FB page to the same issue:

[quote="Keith"]If everyone gives up their race licence for a year, what do you expect to be there to come back to one year later? Grass roots road racing struggles enough as it is. You'd be removing support for the local volunteers on which the sport relies so heavily. And for what? To maybe send a message to BC who may send a message to the UCI that people aren't happy with their current management.

I don't think the ends justifies the means.

Don't like the situation? Then do something positive, rather than something negative. Contact BC and let them know your opinion. Write to them. Call them. Attend their meetings.

Health permitting, expect to see me on the start line of local road races next year.


If they read the letters I wrote to the national exec each of the three times that I have resigned over the years (once from a paid membership, twice from a free membership that I took just so that I could write to resign again), then yes, they will be aware. I have also emailed membership@britishcycling.org.uk to say that the money I was considering using to join post-olympics has, instead, been sent to the Kimmage defence fund. As I am not a member, I am not allowed to attend their meetings.

I do, however think that I have done my share of promoting and supporting grassrootes racing - I've been one of the organisors of the Beastway mountainbike series for the last ten years.

What have/will you do to protest at their complicit support of the UCI, Keith?
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Re: The cyclist that just wont go away

Postby Grahame » Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:04 pm

[quote="Daniel Gee"]
[quote="Grahame"]Should we put a motion to the AGM that the club disaffiliates from BC until such time as it demonstrates that it does not support a corrupt UCI?


Grahame I felt your suggestion was disingenuous rather than controversial, by your own admission the decision to leave BC would cost you nothing personally, do you think you are right to press for other Addiscombe members to be forced to give up either; racing or the club?

And considering the lead British Cycling has taken in clean competition in recent years how helpful is to withdraw our support for an incredibly successful organisation that has been nothing but a force for good in the sport?


I think it would be more honest for the club to consider and discuss it's position, rather than just sit passively by. If the membership decided to continue to affiliate, then that would be fine with me. But I do think we should make it clear that we are at least considering it.

I think it would be fair of you, Daniel, to note that I said "Should we put a motion to the AGM..." Rather than "We should disaffiliate."
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