This is a interesting thread.
My feeling is that BB is rubbing its hands together. Everyones a winner a the moment.
1) Increased Ratings
2) Increased Profile for Jade - although perhaps more realistic
3) Increased Profile for Shilpa.
The only things to suffer are;
1) The UK and its image as a Tolerant Society, but thats political clap trap anyway.
2) Me - Cos I'm starting to get interested in BB. I have spent many years ignoring it, and ended up watching a bit...aarhh!!
The Ian Munnery BigBrother Thread
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by Toks » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:03 pm
[quote]Paul H wrote....I only said possibly and not accusing anybody.
I see the situation as 3 unpleasant people being nasty to another person. If somebody see's it as 3 white people against an Indian then they have singled the Indian person out as somebody different and assumed things because of her race (possibly).
Im not sure why everyone is so frightened about labelling someone a racist. By my definition if you make an off the cuff disparaging remark about someone from another race I don't think that makes you a racist.
I see the situation as 3 unpleasant people being nasty to another person. If somebody see's it as 3 white people against an Indian then they have singled the Indian person out as somebody different and assumed things because of her race (possibly).
However if these disparaging remarks are made continually, systematically and are harmful then 'yes' that makes you a racist. But you're still not in the same league as what I'd call a real racist. One who backs these abhorrent view points with actions. For example, refusing to shake someone's hand, not allowing that person to come into their house, refusing to employ them based on colour/ethnicity etc. (all these things have happened to me!)
Jakki, Jade, Joe, Jack and Daniel have all expressed viewpoints that would as a group put them in my definition as being racist. However looking at their comments individually you could possibly argue either way.
Finding a target (Shipa) to rail against is essential in weak insecure groups. In fact abusing their target would be deemed key to strengthing group position. Its amazing what you can achieve once you've got that consensus and its backed by a set of morals outside the norm.
No matter what we think some 20,000+ people believe Shilpa has been subject to racism thats whats important.
Oh finally, don't get caught out by the red herring in this debate. Jade can't be racist because her father is mixed race. What a load of old bollocks. Some of the most racist people actually date, are married to or even have/had a friend or two who are from the race they're actually discriminating against.
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by Paul H » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:02 pm
I think you need to know why they targeted Shilpa in the first place.
I had the misfutune of working for HSBC bank in the 1980's and at every branch I was at, there was always a "queen bee" her mindless followers and a victim of bullying. Unfortunately large groups of women are like that (feminist comment).
If any of them are racist I suspect it is Daniele.
I had the misfutune of working for HSBC bank in the 1980's and at every branch I was at, there was always a "queen bee" her mindless followers and a victim of bullying. Unfortunately large groups of women are like that (feminist comment).
If any of them are racist I suspect it is Daniele.
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by Toks » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:06 pm
[quote]Toks, hows life with the new team?
Hey not bad mate. We haven't actually had a proper full team ride yet. Its so much harder to get everyone together in the same place when there's only ten of you. Or maybe its the fact that competitive cyclists are such stubborn creatures of habit and prefer to do their own thing. 
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by Toks » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:23 pm
[quote]I think you need to know why they targeted Shilpa in the first place.
I think we've got an idea Paul. Shilpa's class, beauty, intellect, confidence, culture probably highlight the Jade-Group's own insecurities. I think you're trying to analyse things too deeply. We give people the label racist based on views or actions they express which appaer prejudicial towards someone of another race. The WHY? doesn't really come in to it.
If I make comment such as women are crap drivers, women should stay at home with kids, women tennis players don't deserve as much as men and women shouldn't be allowed to work these views would quite rightly be judged as sexist. Why I'm saying these things doesn't change things.
As I said before as a group they have been racist towards Shilpa. Its not overt racism admittedly, but its there and in this society at least we call it racism. But individually I agree with you. I don't think they are racist.
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