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Postby Toks » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:26 pm

[quote]Hi Stu.
Is that 93% of FT or 93% of max heart rate?
If it's the latter, then isn't that really a VO2 max workout rather than a workout aiming to raise your theshold? Toks will probably correct me if I'm wrong on this
IU think you're spot on MATT. Stu probably needs to do a few sessions to get a baseline as to where his Threshold HR is relative to his Perceived Exertion. On the turbo having rested and not having drunk much my heart rate for a TH workout can be right up in the 93% of max zone too...By the way Mr Bond have you started training yet? :D
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Postby Stu Merckx Man » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:37 pm

im not sure what FT is, but it was 93% of max heart rate...i don't no if it was vo2, i was not too out of breath, so ill take toks explanation. :lol:



[quote] Stu probably needs to do a few sessions to get a baseline as to where his Threshold HR is relative to his Perceived Exertion.


what does this mean?? and how do i tell when it happens?? :lol: :lol:

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Postby Toks » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:57 pm

Oh my gosh you're worse than my students!!!. Ha Ha only joking. I think you need to do a few more threshold session over the next few weeks so you can get an idea of your average threshold heart rate. PE (perceived exertion) simply refers to what the training intensity feels like. Some bloke has actually designed a scale between 1-10 or 1-20. the lower the number the easy the exercise effort feels.

Threshold intensity usually means: Slight/mild burning in the thighs, you're able to mutter a few sporadic words but not hold a full conversation, breathing is laboured, it takes a lot of concentration to maintain the effort and if really motivated you could repeat the effort the next day. But generally 24-48 hours rest is needed. Don't even get me started on what a VO2max interval feels like :shock: :P :roll: :roll: :( :(
PS I'm loving your blog. Keep it up Dude!!!!!!!
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Postby Matthew Ives » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:12 pm

[quote]By the way Mr Bond have you started training yet

Well, I've read a lot of books on training.
Does that count?
I'm thinking of starting next week with the Elmers End chain gang.
If I can hold on for a mile or two, I'll be more than happy.
The words 'Baptism' and 'fire' spring to mind.
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Postby Robh » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:15 pm

Stop the guessing and get yourself a powermeter...If you can't afford one you could always hire one for a month see here :-

http://www.cyclepowermeters.com/
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Postby Brian Robinson » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:30 pm

Guys,

Tried another LT session last night. Big improvement :D on last week (here's some data):

- 10 min warm up (60%)
- 10 min LT (80% within 2 mins and then drifted up to 85%) [approx 90rpm 53 x 17]
- 10 min aerobic (70%)
- 10 min LT (80% within 2 mins and then drifted up to 86%) [approx 90rpm 53 x 17]
- 5 min warm down (down to 65%)

Felt a lot better this time, concentrated more on my cadence and smoothness which definitely seemed to help, thanks for the tips.

Will probably aim to another 2 x 10 min next week but if I feel good at the 10min mark may try to push on for 15min :twisted: if possible.

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Postby Toks » Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:26 pm

[quote] 10 min warm up (60%)
- 10 min LT (80% within 2 mins and then drifted up to 85%) [approx 90rpm 53 x 17]
- 10 min aerobic (70%)
- 10 min LT (80% within 2 mins and then drifted up to 86%) [approx 90rpm 53 x 17]
- 5 min warm down (down to 65%)

Great stuff Brian, Keep it going mate. Oh, all efforts greater than three mins will essentially be aerobic.
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Postby Stu Merckx Man » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:46 pm

:lol: cheers toks, are you a school teacher?!?!?
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Postby Toks » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:36 pm

No, not in the traditional sense. I'm a Behavioural Therapy Supervisor - I devise home education programs for children with language delays and autism. ...Basically if your kids' autistic, under 11, has behavioural, communication or developmental issues, and your LEA ain't really doing sh1t - you call someone like me 8)
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Postby Stu Merckx Man » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:42 pm

ok toks ill bare it in mind :wink:
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Postby Alan M » Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:27 pm

As the ex budget holder for SEN in Croydon I believe that most LEAs aim to meet the language needs of pupils with learning difficulties. However, the combination of a finite budget and unrealistic parental expectations can mean that practitioners like Toks are in demand and can sometimes take the view that [quote]your LEA ain't really doing sh1t
which may, in my humble opinion, be a simplification of the truth. I warn you - I can bore for britain on this topic!
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Postby Toks » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:28 pm

[quote]As the ex budget holder for SEN in Croydon I believe that most LEAs aim to meet the language needs of pupils with learning difficulties. However, the combination of a finite budget and [size=150]unrealistic parental expectations [/size]can mean that practitioners like Toks are in demand and can sometimes take the view that Quote:
your LEA ain't [size=200]really[/size] doing sh1t
which may, in my humble opinion, be a simplification of the truth. I warn you - I can bore for britain on this topic!


Fair enough Alan, I consider you a cycling buddy so I don't really want to go there! As I'm sure you gathered I was speaking in 'word on the street' language which was perhaps a bit naughty of me. Or was it because I was drafting my 7th report this a year about a couple of LEA's I know that have really dragged their feet on Special Needs Provision. In truth all LEA's need to do in most cases is [size=150]do what they say they're gonna do.[/size]Don't get me started now otherwise I'll provide a link to a Parents Autism forum and then all hell might break lose :evil:
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Postby Alan M » Mon Feb 26, 2007 2:58 pm

Hey - no problem - I expect that it is a debate for another place and another time, if at all - but in truth, all or most of that is left far behind me now and the road ahead is only paved with 20x80% efforts!

Maybe I'll go back to work.

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Postby Brian Robinson » Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:47 am

For those of you interested in how easy or otherwise it is to progress to the magic 2 x 20min, the next installment.

The plan for last night was to try 2 x 15min....despite saying previously I would only do another 2 x 10 min, here's some data:

- 10 min warm up (60%-75%)
- 15 min LT (80% within 1 min and then drifted up to 85-86%) [approx 85-90rpm 53 x 17]
- 1 min warm down
- 3 min rest (drink etc)
- 1 min warm up
- 15 min LT (80% within 1 min and then drifted up to 87-88%) [approx 85-90rpm 53 x 17]
- 5 min warm down (down to 60%)

Total session = 50mins

Quite surprised that I have progressed as quickly on this. Thought I would hit a psychological wall :( after 10min in the first session but managed to push through :D . This is also the longest I've ever been on the turbo and it seemed to go fairly quickly. Only support is some hard techno house, polar HR monitor and an intricately ribbed architectural phenomenon with a cunning system of levers and pulleys aka the garage door.

Generally finding the pacing okay (don't have a power reading so done purely on feel) and not struggling too much at the end to maintain the cadence (power proxy) despite the HR drift.

Is the HR right? Other people have mentioned HR in the 90+% zone. I had thought LT was 80-85%.

Will keep you updated although on hols next week. Aim to do a 2 x 20min by end of March.

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Postby Robh » Thu Mar 01, 2007 1:50 pm

[quote="Brian Robinson"]
Is the HR right? Other people have mentioned HR in the 90+% zone. I had thought LT was 80-85%.

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84-94% = tempo
95-105% = LT

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