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by Jon H » Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:19 pm
Exodus 20:4
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
"You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
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by Stu Merckx Man » Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:33 pm
i think it all still matters. also i like reading all the latest up dates to do with LA and doping. 
id rather know the painful truth than live in ignorant bliss any day!
id rather know the painful truth than live in ignorant bliss any day!
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by Colin Steadman » Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:53 pm
[quote]I think we need to know about lance, because if its true; he basically played the system for 7 years and made a mockery of the TDF and the sport.....
I don't think any reasonable person who has read all the accounts of LA can come to any other conclusion than that he did play the system for 7 years
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by -Adam- » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:15 am
All arguments excepted, here's a question:
Why are there so many people in cycling determined to dig around for this dirt when other sports live in peace. When realistically they are blatently 'on it' too. I am personally convinced top level football is run on drugs but there is too much money involved to dirty the water.
Im not saying its a bad thing, I want just as much as the next person to be able to believe in the pro's. However I do still have a begrudging respect for them, especially having ridden with a handful of them. They are obviously super talented regardless of the drugs and the difference in ability astounded me to be honest. However, it is obviously not right. I do believe it's getting better, I met a guy in March who rode in France professionally for 6 years in the late 90's and he told me stories that to be honest, i didn't want to hear. But thats the brutal truth of it. He did seem confident that the present situation is a lot better also. But there is still a long way to go, patience is the key.
I think it is also important to not completely tarnish every name from cycling history. Those that have tested positive should bite the bullet and reveal all, about how the did it and probably got away with it for a while too. Like Millar, Basso etc...
I think that it is the culture that must change too.
This is happening now. Slipstream for example are setting up more of a family than a team. They are to live by each other in Girona next year and therefore become so inter twined that if one were to disappear to Madrid say for a weekend, it shouldn't go un-noticed. Obviously this is not a flawless ideal but its a start. Its like, forgive me, safe sex adverts. Making it a taboo not to use a condom etc, it works. Maybe not 100%, but it helps. (at least in my circles anyway)
In the war of the worlds thread somebody stated 'its really not that important to me'. I agree, but i do care, because ultimately its our sport and all of us, in a way, look bad everytime there is a scandal. Its all our responsibilities as cyclists to defend what should be held up as the greatest sport on the planet. It is.
Why are there so many people in cycling determined to dig around for this dirt when other sports live in peace. When realistically they are blatently 'on it' too. I am personally convinced top level football is run on drugs but there is too much money involved to dirty the water.
Im not saying its a bad thing, I want just as much as the next person to be able to believe in the pro's. However I do still have a begrudging respect for them, especially having ridden with a handful of them. They are obviously super talented regardless of the drugs and the difference in ability astounded me to be honest. However, it is obviously not right. I do believe it's getting better, I met a guy in March who rode in France professionally for 6 years in the late 90's and he told me stories that to be honest, i didn't want to hear. But thats the brutal truth of it. He did seem confident that the present situation is a lot better also. But there is still a long way to go, patience is the key.
I think it is also important to not completely tarnish every name from cycling history. Those that have tested positive should bite the bullet and reveal all, about how the did it and probably got away with it for a while too. Like Millar, Basso etc...
I think that it is the culture that must change too.
This is happening now. Slipstream for example are setting up more of a family than a team. They are to live by each other in Girona next year and therefore become so inter twined that if one were to disappear to Madrid say for a weekend, it shouldn't go un-noticed. Obviously this is not a flawless ideal but its a start. Its like, forgive me, safe sex adverts. Making it a taboo not to use a condom etc, it works. Maybe not 100%, but it helps. (at least in my circles anyway)
In the war of the worlds thread somebody stated 'its really not that important to me'. I agree, but i do care, because ultimately its our sport and all of us, in a way, look bad everytime there is a scandal. Its all our responsibilities as cyclists to defend what should be held up as the greatest sport on the planet. It is.
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by Toks » Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:59 pm
[quote="Stu Merckx Man"]i think it all still matters. also i like reading all the latest up dates to do with LA and doping.
id rather know the painful truth than live in ignorant bliss any day!
Quite frankly my dears I couldn't give a flying fook whether he did or he didn't take drugs. If LA died tomorrow I also wouldn't give a fook. Did he inspire me, did I admire him and did he get me into Pro cycling? Yes! Yes and yes
id rather know the painful truth than live in ignorant bliss any day!
However, I can't get myself all worked up and moralistic about Armstrong cause there's just too much other far more important sshit to worry about in both mine and the wider world. Perhaps if I raced againgst him and I was cheated out of victory I'd feel different...Anywayz once I found out that the greatist cyclist on the planet, E.Merckx, tested positive twice I kinda just accepted that thats how pro cycling was. Does this need to change of course! But why not investigate Merckx, afterall he won far more races than Armstrong ever did!... Exactly
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by Stu Merckx Man » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:36 pm
[quote]But why not investigate Merckx, afterall he won far more races than Armstrong ever did!...
why not? because his names on my bike
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