Gears? Wot gears?

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Gears? Wot gears?

Postby Mike I » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:40 pm

There's a lot of talk here of extra training miles, 100+ on the CR, vast 18mph groups, turbo trainers and goodness knows what else. And it felt yesterday like it's time to get the long tights out.

It must be autumn. So it must be time to have another stab at getting a fixed-wheel group out on the club run. We tried this last year but it mostly ended up with three or four of us slotting into the Gentleman's 18 group. But if, like me, you don't fancy race training for novices on the way to the cafe, a steady spin all the way will improve strength, technique and flexibility (it says here).

So, who's up for it? Ideally, of course, we would have about four groups, depending on gear size - say, less than 70, 70-75, 75-80 and Mr84inchesPVT :roll: .
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Postby huw williams » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:48 pm

Where will it all end?

Ability groups

Fixed groups subdivided by gear size

Powertap groups - imagine the conversation on that one - "OOhh I'm putting out 450watts - look out George here I come"

Computer geek groups - subdivided into mac vs pc owners

Cat owner groups vs Dog owner groups

Weight defined groups (Skinny blokes/hefty blokes)

Nationalitys - French groups, Irish groups etc

Vegetarian groups

Political parties

Aetheists/Agnostics/seventh-day adventists

Its never ending I tell you :D
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Postby Andrew G » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:23 pm

Sensible gears, let PVT struggle to turn his pedals round slowly uphill to stay with the group. :D
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Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:50 pm

OK OK I'll be a bit more sensible if there is a similar group going, but I'll be buggered if I'm going to try and keep up with Stu on 72".
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Postby kieran » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:26 pm

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[quote]Vegetarian groups


hmmm... I like that idea, maybe I should start up one, can swop veggie recipes and discuss training on a veggie diet (yawn!) :lol:
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Re: Gears? Wot gears?

Postby Toks » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:38 pm

[quote="44x16"] a steady spin all the way will improve strength, .
Er sorry can't let that one go - [size=150]no it won't![/size]
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Postby Toks » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:48 pm

[quote="marco"]iive found riding fixed increase s'souplesse' , the ability to pedal fast, fluidly and correctly. with this foundation (and assuming you have established a good position on your bike) you can work on power knowing that your basic biomechanics are sound.
Thats fine Marco i've got no problem with that. But you won't simply gain 'strength' from riding a fixie. You may however increase your average power output if you spend time at or above your threshold but thats still not strength.

In Scientific (Exercise Physiology) terms strength is described as the maximum force applied by a muscle fibre or group of muscles. If you're spinning along at 90rpms per minute on your fixie you're definitley not gonna get hypertrophy occuring (increase in muscle size) which is needed to gain strength.

Even if you begin to do this at a higher cadence 110rpm - all things remaining the same (wind condition etc)- you may well be increasing your power (force x distance) output but you still won't be gaining strength. :wink:

The faster you ride the less force you're applying to the pedals. The only time you use strength (maximum force) is when you perform a standing start. Thats why if you've got achilles problems you perform standing starts in low/moderate gears otherwise it exacerbates the problem - trust me!
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Postby Mike I » Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:28 am

Crikey! I was just trying to see if there was any interest, not start a fight. There's another part of this forum for that sort of thing :wink: .

It is a fact though that riding fixed makes you more attractive to the opposite sex 8) .
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Postby Grahame » Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:14 am

[quote="Toks"]
all things remaining the same (wind condition etc)- you may well be increasing your power (force x distance) output but you still won't be gaining strength.


<Pedant>

Actually, force x distance = work,

force x time = power.

</Pedant>
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Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:44 pm

Howver, individuals with a high proportion of type I slow twitch fibers will be relatively weaker than a similar individual with a high proportion of type II fast twitch fibers, but would have a greater inherent capacity for physical endurance. The genetic inheritance of muscle fiber type sets the outermost boundaries of physical strength possible (barring the use of enhancing agents such as testosterone), though the unique position within this envelope is determined by training. Individual muscle fiber ratios can be determined through a muscle biopsy.

Other considerations are the ability to recruit muscle fibers for a particular activity, joint angles, and the length of each limb. For a given cross-section, shorter limbs are able to lift more weight.

The ability to gain muscle also varies person to person based upon genes dictating the amounts of hormones secreted, adequate nutrients in the diet, sex, and the health and age of the person.
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Postby Kasper » Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:10 pm

This all makes perfect sense to me.

Any idea of the cost of converting my old steel framed Condor to fixed?
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Postby Colin Steadman » Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:53 pm

[quote]
Actually, force x distance = work,

force x time = power.

Sorry...I'm not letting that go :)
Power is the rate of doing work
i.e. force/time
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Postby Elliot M » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:08 pm

[quote="Colin Steadman"][quote]
Actually, force x distance = work,

force x time = power.

Sorry...I'm not letting that go :)
Power is the rate of doing work
i.e. force/time


are you sure?

i thought

power = work/time = force*displacement/time
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Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:20 pm

[quote]Wait a minute, surely power = 42.


What's the meaning of life then :?:
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Postby Jon H » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:20 pm

Power can be expressed in a variety of ways:

Watts.
Joules/second (i.e. Work/time).
Newton meter/second (i.e. Force x distance / time).

And they're all exactly the same.
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