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Postby MJ_1993 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:06 pm

lol

The cycling and doping saga has more episodes in a week than flippin Star Wars
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Postby MJ_1993 » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:27 pm

is that data universally accessible, so could I look at say other cyclists
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Postby George » Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:45 pm

[quote]is that data universally accessible, so could I look at say other cyclists
Depends wether Marco want's to knock up another one in excel :wink:
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Postby MJ_1993 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:28 pm

i never knew al-jazeera did such a decent sports section.

mind you they are basically the bbc of the middle east and asia
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Postby MJ_1993 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:29 pm

and yes I know the middle east is in asia.

Oh and the arab league of nation countries as well
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Postby MJ_1993 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:31 pm

his haemocrit changes so frequently and by a fair bit, it is hard to find a reliably result, as if you average it, it will probably be higher than the real one.
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Postby MJ_1993 » Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:40 pm

its hard to determine what his 'real' haemocrit level actually is, because it varies so much.
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Postby Colin Steadman » Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:04 pm

[quote]it fluctuates depending on effort, resting period, illness etc. You wouldnt expect to see it increase though during a hard 3 week tour.

Yes..it should deffo go down quite considerably during a 3 week race.
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Postby MJ_1993 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:02 pm

[quote="Colin Steadman"][quote]it fluctuates depending on effort, resting period, illness etc. You wouldnt expect to see it increase though during a hard 3 week tour.

Yes..it should deffo go down quite considerably during a 3 week race.


Not necessarily, The fact that your in the mountains for a few days could compensate. Transfusions and EPO are dangerous, they can cause sludging of the blood, and thats not a risk worth taking, when you consider you could die without experiencing those winnings.
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Postby Stu Merckx Man » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:12 pm

[quote]Transfusions and EPO are dangerous, they can cause sludging of the blood


it only became dangerous in the short term, when riders go to sleep because the heart rate drops, so they go to bed with hrm on to wake them up so they could do a bit of excersise, and they took lots of asprin.

from books i read on it, riders thought it was well worth the risk for a win.
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Postby -Adam- » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:19 am

Whether its dangerous or not is hardly the point though is it boys?

The fact that if you have to pump your body full of sh1t to win is an admission that your just not good enough. Its banned because sport should be a battle of natural athletic ability, not who can afford the best doctor. Ironically its the guys that have to take drugs just to keep their contracts that end up with the crap doctors, and then end up dead.

I read today the article in CW with Marcus Lungqvist (sp!?), that he had his best ever three week tour in the Vuelta last year. As (unofficially of course) a result of the peloton being cleaner than even probably a few months before. There are riders out there that have had personal bests lately that are probably clean, and are now succeeding more as others get off the 'crack' too. Also read a similar sentiment from Roger Hammond a while ago too, and Wiggo I think. I have no doubt in my mind that all those riders are clean. Others I still have my doubts about, but its not going to do anyone any favours by me naming a list of riders who I think are doped. I have faith that slowly but surely professional cycling is righting itself, but its not going to happen over night. There will be more scandals I'm sure, but the key thing is that we all still believe, because if we do, so will the television companies, and thus the sponsors, and therefore the sport.
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Postby MJ_1993 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 12:37 am

Ljungvist I think. I don't that CEOs care what we think, especially when you are 150 odd in the fortune 500, and you have £10 million in a marketing strategy thats giving you bad press.[/list][/i]
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Postby -Adam- » Sat Jan 05, 2008 1:53 am

[quote="Mo Jaffer"]I don't [think?] that CEOs care what we think, especially when you are 150 odd in the fortune 500, and you have £10 million in a marketing strategy thats giving you bad press.[/list][/i]


I disagree, if companies see the sport of cycling as a useful way so promote awareness of their brand, why wouldn't they? If through cycling I now know of Bouyges Telecom, or Gerolsteiner, or Saeco, or Barloworld etc etc... and then if when I travel to france I select Bouyges as my mobile network, or through work use reccomend Barloworld to my contractors... then these companies investing in cycling are getting their euro's worth aren't they? Even if a scandal temporarily takes the shine off them. T-Mobile were probably looking for an excuse to get out as their brand couldn't really be much more well known now, could it? Drugs was a convenient excuse to do so. Sponsors will leave, all for different reasons, the key is that new ones are found and convinved of the worth of exposing their brands to us... the public.
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Postby Colin.Steadman » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:21 am

[quote]But yeah for some reason the riders are getting sucked into this false world and the risks seem as worthwhile as ever


In 1982 Bob Goldman did a study that asked 200 athletes "if you could
take a pill that would guarantee you would win every event for five years and
never test positive but then would cause you to die, would you take it?"
Over 50% said yes.
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Postby -Adam- » Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:05 pm

[quote="Colin.Steadman"][quote]But yeah for some reason the riders are getting sucked into this false world and the risks seem as worthwhile as ever


In 1982 Bob Goldman did a study that asked 200 athletes "if you could
take a pill that would guarantee you would win every event for five years and
never test positive but then would cause you to die, would you take it?"
Over 50% said yes.


Up to the minute research then, I think things are perhaps a little different now. For a start, I wasn't even born then :shock:
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