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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby -Adam- » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:10 pm

[quote="Andrew G"]No insurance for your bikes :shock:


It's just so expensive Andrew, I mean I've had a look around before and I would have been looking at over £200... Is it really worth it!?

And would any insurance pay out on an accident like mine without charging a stupid excess?
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Andrew G » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:47 pm

[quote="-Adam-"][quote="Andrew G"]No insurance for your bikes :shock:


It's just so expensive Andrew, I mean I've had a look around before and I would have been looking at over £200... Is it really worth it!?

And would any insurance pay out on an accident like mine without charging a stupid excess?

Is it worth it - yes definitely. I'll admit it looks pricey because we never think we're going to crash and need it, but accidents happen, and that's without including the theft risk.

When I first insured my GB with the CTC cover it cost about 10% of the bikes value - £200ish
After my crash in Italy I just got a quote for repairs from GBs when I got home and sent it to them, they gave the go-ahead and sent a cheque to cover it. The cover includes just about everything apart from racing (they are are touring organisation and anyone covering racing would charge a fortune due to the risk) you just need to explain the crash on the claim form. If they pay for crashes in Italy they will in Reigate, and with a police report reference it'd probably be dealt with more swiftly.

The cost of my repairs was about £350 and the excess was £35 being 10% of the repair costs. This may have been a slightly higher excess as it was an accident abroad.

The insurance covers any damage done in transit as well so you're covered without having to try and get blood out of a stone, sorry I mean money out the airline. It's so comprehensive that it even covers the bike if you take it camping so long as the bike is either in the tent with you or locked to an immovable object like a tree.

The cost of repairs soon adds up so would easily cover the premium should you be unlucky. Say for example you hit some gravel and come down, there's a fair chance that some of the first things to hit the ground and scrape across the tarmac are the Ergos/STIs and the rear mech. I'm guessing you've got Ultegra or Dura Ace on your bike which I guess would come to £200-£300 for just those two things, without any damage to wheels or anything else. My saddle also got scuffed so as I was making a claim I got that replaced, moved the scuffed one down to my commuting bike as there wasn't anything really wrong with it. The saddle cost £70 and the excess was only going to be £35 so it seemed silly not to get a new one.

I've renewed my cover twice now and the premium has come down each year (8-10%) despite having made a claim.

Sorry, went on a bit there :oops: .
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby -Adam- » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:02 pm

Well i'll have to look into it Andrew, thanks for the info.
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Grahame » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:08 pm

Sorry to hear about your accident Adam, but pleased that you came out of it so lightly injured, and had the backup available to get you home.

It may be worth checking on your parents' household goods insurance. Most will cover bikes up to about £500 as standard, Marks and Spencers cover my bikes up to £3000 each without them having to be specifically listed, and they are covered worldwide. You'll find the excess is a lot lower than £300.

Also having an insurance company trying to recover the money may (slim chance, but every little helps) make it more likely that the scumbags are caught and brought to justice. Leaving the scene of an accident is considered to be a serious crime.

Even if you don't live at your parents' house, you may find that you are covered as a dependent student living in temporary accommodation.
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Robh » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:45 am

With a few people coming off lately most have been glad they have worn a helmet. I know on the rides I've been with you you don't wear one. From your report it sounds like you didn't hit your head.

This is the reason I wear a helmet now never use to in 1989-1991. You just don't know who's gonna knock you off even if you don't make yourself fall off.

Glad your ok!

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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Colin.Steadman » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:10 am

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When I first insured my GB with the CTC cover it cost about 10% of the bikes value - £200ish

So Andrew: is the CTC insurance generally about 10% of the bikes worth for a year?
And in that year, you get to replace anything damaged in a crash?

is that the gist of it?
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Andrew G » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:36 am

In short Colin, yes. I can only give the example from my cover which worked out as 10% of value of bike premium for first year, and then a 8-10% reduction each year on renewal for two renewals so far.

As with any insurane other factors will come in to play, post code etc, but I would think most work out fairly similar. I know I'm in quite a high rated post code so mine won't be at the cheaper end of things.

The value of the bike is what you put it at (within reason as it will need to be confirmed by the bike shop(s) you get your repair quote from, and I also sent in a receipt from purchase) so I keep mine at a replacement value cost based on what I paid. not taking in to account any discounted price on the frame.

Clearly the insurers aren't stupid so anything a bit dodgy would be looked in to.
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Richard (Apples) » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:56 am

Adam , what a nightmare.....glad you are ok though. I dunno about all the insurance stuff but I would deffinitely go to the Police .

I know its hard to think straight after an accident with all the adrenalin pumping but I rec you should've dialled 999 straight away.


Those blokes are to55ers...probably no tax licence or insurance :evil:
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Colin.Steadman » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:00 am

[quote="Andrew G"]In short Colin, yes. I can only give the example from my cover which worked out as 10% of value of bike premium for first year, and then a 8-10% reduction each year on renewal for two renewals so far.

As with any insurane other factors will come in to play, post code etc, but I would think most work out fairly similar. I know I'm in quite a high rated post code so mine won't be at the cheaper end of things.

The value of the bike is what you put it at (within reason as it will need to be confirmed by the bike shop(s) you get your repair quote from, and I also sent in a receipt from purchase) so I keep mine at a replacement value cost based on what I paid. not taking in to account any discounted price on the frame.

Clearly the insurers aren't stupid so anything a bit dodgy would be looked in to.


Thanks Andrew.
That's very helpful.
I might consider it .
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Daniel Gee » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:50 pm

Congratulations on the win Adam, Good Job.

As to Sunday's shenanigans; it just unbelieveable!

What a bunch of immoral, criminal mot*******ing sh**buckets :twisted:

There's not a lot u can do though, you're lucky enough to still be on your feet so get back on the old trek and get some (more) wins in! :D :D
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:05 pm

Well done on the win Adam, shame it wasn't for ACC - c'est la vie.

Bad kuck with your crash, hope the knee doesn't give any trouble.
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Tony » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:14 pm

That's soooooooooo annnnoying. Hope you recover quickly and fully....

Any injury accident on the highway always merits a 999-call IMO - especially when it involves a couple of pikey's like the guys who caused your's. At the same time you can take a few photos (discretely if needed) of the perpetrators and their vehicle - especially if they try to drive off. That's provided you haven't landed on your phone and mashed the thing!
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:18 pm

After a few unlucky incidents, I have found the best policy is to writhe on the ground clutching some part of your anatomy as if in agony. Even the most hardened ****** is unlikely to drive off and leave you in that state.
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby Toks » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:43 pm

[quote="Tony"] [size=150]especially when it involves a couple of pikey's like the guys who caused your's.[/size]
Er...do we actually know the racial origins of these blokes or are we describing them as such because... :roll:
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Re: Good weekend, Bad weekend...

Postby huw williams » Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:58 pm

Quote from the Urban Dictionary...

Pikey is not a racial group, the term is used to describe anyone who lives in a caravan or shares the same values and "culture" of "the travelling community", and whose main sources of income are as follows: Stealing cars, flogging roses in pubs for "childrens' charities", nicking lead off roofs, burgling garden sheds, blagging entry to old peoples house to rob them, doing dodgy tarmac jobs ("we've got some black stuff left over from a job up the road"), sometimes with mint imperials used as a substitute for white chippings, or, reportedly, using snow to lay slabs on when the sand ran out, stealing your b****ks if they weren't in a bag and anything else that's not nailed down and anything that is nailed down but will fit in the back of an untaxed Transit when nobody's looking. Characterised by lurchers on a string, a unintelligible language that "isn't English, it isn't Irish, it's just Pikey" (source: Film: Snatch), a penchant for harecoursing, ketamine, lighter fuel, fighting in pubs and shopping at Lidl.
Best avoided. "

I don't see crashing Adam off his bike in that list so they couldn't've been pikeys :D
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