The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

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The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Dominic » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:48 pm

I have a pair of handbuilt wheels that use for everyday cycling. I got these after I was advised a couple of years ago that the rim on my rear Vento was getting thin. When I enquired about the cost of replacement the wheelbuilder from GBs laughed and told me it would be cheaper to buy a new pair. Not deterred I stumped up a bit of extra cash and got a set of handbuilts from Harry Rowland, who is well known is wheelbuilding circles. My reason being that if anything went wrong I could get things eg rims replaced for a fraction of the original cost. Or so I thought.....

Fast forward 18 months and I took the handbuilt rear with broken spoke into Bikeplus who have built me a front dynamo wheel before which is excellent. I then get into a discussion with the Paul they chap who runs it, about wheels and he tells me that if the spoke breaks again then I will have to look at a new wheel. I enquire about the cost of getting it rebuilt and am told £90 for labour, spokes and re-using the old rim. Obviously the cost will be more if I need a new rim. He hen again precedes to give a very informative talk about how the cost and technolody of factory built wheels has improved and quite ably demonstrates that I could get a new back (factory) wheel for about the same price as rebuilding the old one.

A quick surf on the next shows me I could get a pair of factory built wheels, Campag at that, for cheaper than Bikeplus. They would obviously be at the bottom end of the range but that is good enough for going to work on.

But what do I do with my old front wheels. If I end up getting another new pair I will have a spare front Vento and a handbuilt. When the hypothetical new rear wears out I will then have another front wheel. I know I could just throw them away but it just doesn't feel right. Oh and that of course doesn't include the dynamo front I have that sits in the shed for 6 months of the year. :?
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Grahame » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:53 pm

Horsemanure.

If you haven't ridden too far on it, you can just replace the broken spoke and all will be well (well, one or two others may break as well, but that's it). Buy a few replacement spokes (or at least one) and if you supply cake, I will show you how to fix it. It'll take about 10 minutes to replace the spoke, assuming we don't have to remove the cassette. About 15 minutes with cassette removal and replacement.

Is it an eastern european hub (Campag) :twisted: or a precision made Japanese one (Shimano) :wink: ? I have the tools for the Shimano one, but for the tractor component :twisted: :wink: , if you don't have the cassette remover, we may have to borrow one.
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Dominic » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:53 pm

That's very kind Graham , I have the relevant tools (the hub is a Novatech, Campag compatible). It the spoke breaks again when I have it back I will take you up on your kind offer :D

I tend to do everything else on my bike myself but wheels is something I have never dabbled in. Now might be a good time to learn.
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Jon H » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:51 am

After Grahame's talk at the clubroom about wheelbuilding last year I took the plunge and built some wheels myself. It's a piece of cake really, everyone should know how to do it. Armed with this knowledge you can true a wheel, replace a spoke or rim, or build a wheel from scratch without paying the for the bike shop wrench-monkey's peanuts.
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Postby Snoop Doug » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:51 am

mmmmmm, peanuts
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Postby Mike I » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:06 am

Agree with Grahame on most of this. Leaving aside the tractor / fishing rod debate, you probably don't even have to buy spokes. Next time you're spending a bit of cash in your local proper bike shop, mention that you've broken a spoke and they might just give you some spares. I did this in a well-known central London store a couple of months ago.

I also got a pair of wheels built recently for £50, including spokes.

I know GBs are the official(ish) ACC supplier, but they really shouldn't be spreading this kind of nonsense.
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Paul H » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:45 am

Finches in Reigate will build a wheel for about £30.00
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Robert » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:17 pm

I commute on mavics with ceramic rims, spoke bust in October, GBs repaired no problem. Bust another spoke on Thursday back to GBs tomorrow to get spoke done, not expecting any issue, but as they say forewarned is forearmed!! The wheels were hand built by Malcolm at Dauphins. It sounds like GBs don`t want to get their hands dirty!!

Is that a pig I see flying? :lol:
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Will » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:48 pm

Agree with Grahame

Bulding wheels is surprisingly easy (once you try)

I've built two wheels of my own so far, and the first proper test of the second wheel - other than a quick ride up and down the road - was a week of downhill mountain biking in the alps

Over a year later it's still going strong and hasn't needed any retruing :)
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Marek » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:39 pm

Grahame, if you are giving lessons on this then I may be interested. At £90 a pop for a re-build then I reckon I might set up a new business in wheel building and give up my job in the City.

Cheers

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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Grahame » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:35 pm

I'd be happy to do another "masterclass" or two on wheelbuilding at club nights later in the year.

Perhaps another "lacing a wheel" demo (I'll try to get it right this time :oops: ) then a couple of weeks later a session on truing and tensioning with a quick bit on replacing broken spokes.

I don't expect to buy my own cake, though. :wink:
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Postby Andrew G » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:00 pm

I couldn't make the last one you did Grahame :( , so would be there with cake in hand :D .

The Yorkshire Tea cakes are really nice, particularly the ginger and the marmalade ones. Along with a mug of Yorkshire tea, mmmmm.
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby -Adam- » Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:15 am

Given recent events and my growing love of hand built wheels I would be interested to learn how to do it myself as well...

The thing in my mind that seems complicated is getting the tension right... But I'm sure you know!
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Postby Ivor » Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:21 am

yup, I'll come along with some cake too!
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Re: The wheel (handbuilt) is dead-long live the wheel (factory)

Postby Will » Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:19 am

For you eager lot, here's some advanced reading:

1. [url=http://sheldonbrown.com/wheelbuild.html]All you need to know[/url] (Sheldon Brown's article that has encouraged many people to build their own wheels)

2. [url=http://www.parktool.com/repair/readhowto.asp?id=81]Another perspective on the latter stages[/url] (using, of course, Park Tool's equipment)

3. [url=http://www.wheelpro.co.uk/wheelbuilding/book.php]A e-book if you're really keen[/url] (from a guru called Roger Musson who builds wheels for a living)
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