Do we need more Monty's then?

[quote="-Adam-"][quote="Amy"]*half wheeling - this is when two people ride side by side with one continually edging half a wheel in front of the other resulting in an increase in speed as the half-wheelee keeps trying to catch up and the half-wheeler keeps edging half a wheel in front..."

[Duncan T]

Am I being a bit slow when I ask :- "when was the club run about competition? isn't it meant do be a nice morning out?"

[quote="-Adam-"][quote="Amy"]*half wheeling - this is when two people ride side by side with one continually edging half a wheel in front of the other resulting in an increase in speed as the half-wheelee keeps trying to catch up and the half-wheeler keeps edging half a wheel in front..."

[quote="adrian"][quote="-Adam-"][quote="Amy"]*half wheeling - this is when two people ride side by side with one continually edging half a wheel in front of the other resulting in an increase in speed as the half-wheelee keeps trying to catch up and the half-wheeler keeps edging half a wheel in front..."

[Marky Mark]

I went out on my first ride without an induction and common sense took over to work out our complicated communications. It is very strange to ride in a pack for the first time and someone with a lack of common sense could be a serious danger to the entire group.

It's not rocket science but I DO agree with you putting it in writing for newbies to read.

Well what can I say about the need for more Monty's. They broke the mould when Monty was created by a mad man in a garden shed full old bike parts and frames. There can only be one Monty. Hail Monty.

I have been whiteness to the odd person being dropped on a climb and the golden rule of 'waiting at the top' is rarely adhered to. Its too tempting after hilly push to reap the rewards of downhill section and chance to free wheel and feel the wind through your Lycra.
Who slows down and waits for the slowest one to finish their climb? Most of the time you can't even see if someone has been dropped.

I'll keep my limited comments about being in the right groups and sticking to the average speed for now as I'm up and down groups like a fiddlers elbow at the moment. But I'm with the 'what's on the tin' side at the moment, at least you know what you're letting yourself in for at the start of the run.

It can destroy the moral of a group if a free for all takes over. I'm not talking about the real fast ones or training groups as I don't have a scooby doo what goes on in them.

I'm going to drop a name now just as an example of how to dent someone's riding skills and give em a big kick in the shins. I think Tim was the VC on that day going down to the cafe, a rotate had been called about a 2 minutes before a hill and Bridget took the front of the pack and was setting a good and steady pace up at the front, as soon as we hit the incline the pace dropped off like always has and always will. Then everybody rode round her as if she was a pothole. I just got the impression that it upset her.

Moving on....... The club runs to me are fun and the choice to go up or down a group is your own to make.

It's an Agreeable club and comes across like that to people like me, I'm always boasting to family and friend how I've landed on my feet with the ACC, so stop your bitching and have a little thought for others and most of all.......enjoy it.

This has been Marky Mark, News at 5, Addiscombe

(second try at posting this, god know's where the last one went to )

[-Adam-]

[quote="Marky Mark"]It's not rocket science

[Marky Mark]

Most poeple don't join until they have done a few CR's, so a code of conduct could reach them after the damage has been done.

Maybe have a few printed to hand out for the newbies as they turn up for their first ride, Hide them in the station somwhere

[-Adam-]

I hadn't joined then, I'm sure when I first came out with ACC there were no details on the website about CR's, but an email address to enquire to.

So I did, and was told I should introduce myself to Monty or whoever, and that I should ride in a group no quicker than 17s etc. And I'm sure there was a code of conduct to read before I even got on my bike...

I actually ended up riding off with a group of hardcore racers (all of which have now moved on) that day about halfway to the cafe, and just about hung on for dear life! But the group behind stayed intact as there was an expectation that the group would split at some point along the lines described, and so it was not a problem.

All comes back to common sense really.

[djembi]

Amy, are you a vice captain as if not you should be. That code of conduct you drafted is spot on, bravo.
Maybe the question that should be asked is 'Do we need more Amys?' (is that the plural i'm not sure maybe someone could help )

[Duncan T]

Ok, ok, maybe I didn’t iterate my point enough. If you’ve got what it takes to be in the training group then go for it, if you havn’t, don’t! There are many different speeds of rider out there, and you have a group to fit into. Don’t take the pi** by showing off in a lesser group. You might be faster up the hills, but that’s not what riding’s about. If you want a nice morning out with people of your ability, then you ride with that group…

[John the old'un]

For those who have got it wrong, let me repeat what Amy wrote regarding the term "half-wheeling."
It is nothing to do with riders in front or behind. That is known as an overlap when you allow your front wheel to overlap the back wheel of the rider in front of you. This is stupid and dangerous. If the rider in front moves sideways then you are off, so NEVER OVERLAP.
Half-wheeling is, as Amy says, when two riders are riding side by side the aggressive one will always try to keep his front wheel ahead of the guy beside him. This is acceptable when in a training group or racing, but NEVER on a clubrun. It is anti-social, so DON'T DO IT.
Rant over.

[Marky Mark]

Top rant John. I second that in motion. You are also a star a setting a pace. This club is full of great VC's and long established riders.

1 Amy + The 'Monty' + Graham + John + Tim + everybody else = The ACC THAT WORKS

enough said

[Tony]

There's way too many discussions going on in this thread. Picking up on a few points:

[quote="Adam"][re. half-wheeling / overlapping] Exactly, it happens all the time in racing, but the level of experience is generally high enough that most people are quite competent at riding in a straight line

[Michelle]

Hang on, you can't just throw your curry analogies into the pan here (sic).

It is now accepted that 'full fat' is the fast version, and 'lite' is the slower version (see posts in Training on Chaingang Lite).

Hmm, yours may be funnier though, Tony...

[sonic909]

Well, i'm a newbie... and now i am more petrified than ever about my first club run with the ACC... hoping to make next saturday however its all hinged on if my frame turns up tomorow so it will be on my new shiny bike too... !