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I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby Andrew G » Sun May 04, 2008 6:10 pm

Well some of the route on stage 11 :D .

Just got back from Italy and we (Rob R-E and I) rode some of the route and one of the climbs, amongst many other long lumps.

Stage 11 may not be one of the biggies in the Dolomites but it has a fair old hill on it. The stage runs from Urbania to Cesena and takes in the Monte Carpegnia, otherwise known as the Cippo (no not that one :lol: ).
From the map below we headed out from Riccione to pick up the route marked on here at Mercatino Conca. As you can see from the profile it is then just a long climb (was a long slightly rolling but mainly uphill drag climb at about 6 or 7% to Carpegnia.

The actual Cippo itself I think we climbed from the other side to the Giro but basically it's a very steep climb from either side and you just go over the top and straight down t'other - a complete because it's there climb as there is no where to go up there. The side we did started on a normal thin road. We hit this at about midday and I'd made the schoolboy error of not drinking enough :roll: on the 3ish hour ride out there so suffered a bit under the sun. Rob got a rhythm going early on and did the climb well. About halfway up you then go in to a tree covered section to the top. Once here I was fine again, having started drinking and now out the sun, and knocked it up a gear or two. The rest of the way to the top was fantastic and should make some good viewing in the Giro. Although it's about mid stage the top half of the climb is on little more than a path (with lots of crack and pine needles on it).

Oh yes and the gradient, the side we did the first 4kms are about 12-15%, the last 3 (on the "path" bit) are 15% to18% in the bends :!: The descent is a bit narrow, twisty and "squeaky-bum" too. We met a group with a guide at the top and followed the guide down at a nice sedate pace on the logic that he'd been there enough times to know the safest way down.

On this day after Cippo we rode up to San Leo, which is staggeringly beautiful, before coming back over a couple more climbs around San Marino. One of my favourite days on the bike and a full 8 hour day on the bike with a couple of cafe stops thrown in at Carpegnia and San Leo to top up the Italian coffee levels. 8)
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Another highlight was the climb up to Montefiore Conca. At the bottom of the approx 5km climb you pass a sign saying 12%, we thought, "okay a steep ramp coming up", the "ramp" lasted to the top. According to the map it has a 16% section somewhere on it but from the sign we passed the gradient didn't drop below 10% all the way up to the, yet another, stunning cobbled village at the top. We st down at a cafe and had a rather nice cappuccino which was delivered with a selection of small biscuits to accompany it :) . The two coffees (with the complimentary biscuits) in this super location was under 5 euros and the owner gave us a souvenir postcard of an ink drawing of the fort in the village! What a rip-off eh :lol: .
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby carl f » Sun May 04, 2008 6:32 pm

sounds amazing, just so happens i'll be out that way in sept :D
Fab cycling with the best coffee around,can't beat it
Can't wait....
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby Ian A4size » Sun May 04, 2008 7:21 pm

Andrew-I bet you have tanned well in all that sun.

Pah! cappochino is not coffee
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby Andrew G » Sun May 04, 2008 9:30 pm

I tan a dream Ian with my factor 50 8) . There is a bit of colour on the arms and a slight grubby knee look though :lol: . I know it's not"real" coffee but I wanted more than espresso at the time. My fave in Italy is a macchiato, mmmmmm.

How long are you there Carl? If you have any spare days (after the champs probably best) then both yourself and Paul will love it out there. Everywhere is just hills, long steady climbs of about 4-12kms at about 5-6% average with ramps of 10% upwards in places on them, normally towards the top. If you go to one of the [url=http://www.riccionebikehotels.it/component/option,com_google_maps/Itemid,40/]Riccione Bike Hotels[/url] in the reception they have pocket maps which have routes marked on them. You can ignore the routes as they can be a bit tricky to follow but the maps are good to give you pointers of where you are and what town to point yourself at. You just go for a ride and head for somewhere which starts Monte... and you'll have a nice hill to climb. Then just pick your next Monte... and head for that :) .

If you get the chance ones worth heading for, and all close by each other, are:
Montefiore Conca
Montescudo
Monte Colombo
Mondiano

If time allows longer (all day) rides, San Leo is a good visit and you'd get a few hills there and back if you want them and go through or around San Marino. Cippo is a long ride out over a long climb so would also be a day on the bike trip unless you drove out to the area.
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby Andrew G » Mon May 05, 2008 8:22 am

Frederica says hello Sean :D , and wishes Mrs A and yourself well in the near future Adrian.

Marianne and Peter (Wolf) were also there when we were, actually arrived about half an hour before we did, and said to say hello to yourself and Adrian. I think Rob was a bit put out when I was greeted by Marianne and Frederica with a hugs and kisses :lol: .
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby carl f » Mon May 05, 2008 11:06 am

There for a week andrew,although i think after race i'll be staying in or near Bologna
Thanks for the info,i'm sure i can squeeze in a hilly ride or two :)
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby Andrew G » Wed May 07, 2008 9:27 pm

Some boring photos to help you get to sleep.

The road to Cippo and the hire bike I had, a brand new Orbea Onix. Very nice just a shame Ernesto didn't get me a Campag bike and I had to wrestle with land of the giants gear/brake levers.
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If you go up here...
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You might end up looking as bad as this.
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The rather nice San Leo
[img]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n315/andrewgreen23/italy%202008/1346SanLeo.jpg[/img]

And inside...
[img]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n315/andrewgreen23/italy%202008/1352SanLeo.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n315/andrewgreen23/italy%202008/1356SanLeo.jpg[/img]

The countryside's not bad to look at either.
[img]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n315/andrewgreen23/italy%202008/1294Coriano-Croce.jpg[/img]
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby adrian » Thu May 08, 2008 9:34 am

Great stuff, Andrew - I'm incredibly jealous. Pleased you got to see and ride the area in all its glory this time. Thanks for passing on the kind messages - what nice people.

As I set off in the sun this morning it really made me think of this time last year in Italy (maybe it was also the Riccione bib shorts) and how I'd rather be on my way to San Leo instead of Richmond :(
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Re: I've ridden the 2008 Giro

Postby Andrew G » Thu May 08, 2008 9:42 am

Not through choice Sean. I'd asked Ernesto for Campag but the shop had sent a different bike. Rather than faff about I thought I'd brush prejudices aside and ride that other stuff for a week, give it a proper test.

It was 105 and I now know that I definitely don't want to go anywhere near Shi*mano again!

Positives:
The chainset and bottom bracket was very smooth and very nice, not that I've ever had a problem with a non smooth Campag one I hasten to add. I've always liked the "sweep" design of the chainset/crank as I think it looks quite nice in alu, the carbon one that's shown up here and there doesn't look very nice though.

Negatives:
Brakes - after hearing how great they were I expected better. I found they felt a bit soft initially, and more of a pull on the lever they seemed to kick in rather urgently. Didn't feel anywhere near as progressive as I'm used to and made feathering the brake a lot more difficult. Felt as though they were a bit on/off and not a lot in the middle.

Gears - I will admit that I don't have the biggest hands but the levers really are huge - how on earth do women ride Shi*mano?. This didn't help braking as the whole lever set up felt too big and clumsy, and of course there's the brake lever that moves sideways :roll: . The limited amount of trimming at the front isn't great either.
Downshifts were okay but then when the lever is that big you'd expect it to be. Upshifts weren't as smooth as Campag and with the way it works seems to shove the derailleur (sp?) over too urgently making the operation seem more urgent and jumpy. Not well phrased I know but it was like it just chucks it across rather than moves it over. Campag feels much smoother (the Mirage and Veloce I've had as well so I'm not comparing 105 to Chorus/Record), even shifting up multiple gears, which Shimano can't do.

I rode most of the time on the tops of the bars as I just couldn't find anywhere comfortable to place my hands on the hoods either. They most certainly couldn't be called Ergos.

I played up my Campagnolo snobbery before as it was mainly just the big levers I didn't like, but having ridden a 105 equipped bike for a week it's not a joke anymore. Campagnolo is just far superior.

I shall now retreat to my bunker with certain like-minded and right-minded individuals.
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