The View from far far away

[Colin.Steadman]

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[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"][quote]A teenager has died after being attacked by a customer in a bakery shop in south-east London.

Jimmy Mizen, who was 16 on Friday, was fatally injured in the shop on Burnt Ash Hill, Hither Green, after being assaulted on Saturday.

Police said the teenager, who lived in the area, was involved in an argument with a youth who then attacked him.

London Ambulance Service were also called to the incident but the youngster died at the scene.

[Marky Mark]

Toks. I'm listening to what you are saying.

I have lived in London all my life, born in the centre of Our beautiful capital. lived in Wandsworth, Batersea, Peckham, Croydon and now Purley.

Londoner's including me spend our lives wearing blinkers. I have the benefit of traveling ALOT for my job. I love my country BUT it's not until you go away and come back home again that you can take off the rose tinted specticals and see the crap we all live in.

I am going to bite my tongue now before I say what i'm thinking.

All the best for your friends brother. Marky Mark

[George]

[quote]lived in Wandsworth, Batersea, Peckham, Croydon and now Purley.

[-Adam-]

Don't know about that, keep going at that rate and you'll end up in Redhill

Try to hook a right at some point and you'll be sorted

[mrP(Boonen)VT]

[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"]LOL, we were talking about that in Chinese class this morning. It happened off the East coats far from here. I didn't feel a thing and slept right through it.

[adrian]

I don't know - this sort of thing has always been with us, in this country at least. I grew up in the late '70s and early '80s and things were a lot worse then. Violence was absolutely everywhere, and on a huge scale - every day at school, every time you went to football (before, during and after) every weekend in town centres - even in places like leafy Leatherhead, Reigate and Banstead. And does anyone else remember what happened when Sham69 played in Kingston and Epsom? Bleedin' Nora.

Clearly, pointless, motiveless violence was nothing new and had been going on for decades/ever before that - [url=http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/forsyth_harris.htm]here's[/url] an example (off the top of my head) from what people now imagine to have been some sort of golden age in this country. Then you go back to the bloody awful treatment the first West Indians and Asians to come here got. Before that, the rise of fascism all over western Europe between the wars. It's easy to think of it in abstract terms now, as History with a capital H, but on the street people experienced it as someone coming up to them and giving them a kicking for no reason - then as now.

I think that after a while, society (rightly) gets fed up with and more intolerant of it, and with a 24-hour news eye scrutinising every single incident, it can appear that it's getting worse. But, depressing as these incidents are, the reality is that it's never been safer on the streets - in London or anywhere else.

[Andrew G]

[quote="Adrian"] from what people now imagine to have been some sort of golden age in this country.

[Toks]

Yeah fair points Adrian. In contrast today I went to open a mini bottle of coke on the tube and it fizzed up and I got soaked in the stuff. Two seperate young people got out tissues to help me wipe my hands and trousers. A friend fell off her bike last weekend in a park near me and these guys playing basketball all went over to help her and put the chain back on her bike. But of course thats not news . Anyway no more moaning from me, its lovely and sunny in London. The place looks great and the people look happy

[Brian Nolan]

good post Sean - and the replies from Adrian and Toks..

for me it's not the violence that gets me down because I rarely see it first hand as I am on the bike or in the car. If you are using public transport though I can imagine it must be pretty scary at times..
I am just getting so tired of all the other crap though.. We can't move for cctv cameras and yet we are no safer - but if you step out or over the line of some petty byelaw the coucil or others want to fine you .. And then this government and the Daily Hate Mail want to give you a criminal record for using a harmless ( for the v vast majority ), herb that they do not agree with ...
I have lived in London all my life but I feel if i was elsewhere it would seem slightly better - except I would be missing the country's best cycling club ! Beyond that though I do feel that the country is broken and a bit sick ...

[Brian Nolan]

ps - glad you are having fun out there Sean - enjoy all your posts from afar - nice one mate

[-Adam-]

[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"]already sourced a special jersey for my Grand Retour

[Toks]

is that a girl behind you sean

[Andrew G]

[quote="Sean Hogan - 何祥"]Cheers Brian,

I'm looking forward to coming back and have already sourced a special jersey for my Grand Retour It's fruity, that's all I'm saying.

Adrian, I hear ya!

Sean

[Andrew G]

You know you're a star Sean.