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Track Bike advice

Postby Steve B » Tue May 27, 2008 10:39 pm

Since my introductory in to the world of track cycling on saturday I've been thinking, a lot :roll:. Maybe I really really need a track bike :wink: .

So, as I haven't got the foggiest about what is good, bad or indifferent when it comes to a track bike, I would appreciate any advice from anyone that has :D .

Does weight matter much?
What gear is best suited to someone like myself (easy on the jokes guys :wink: )
Steel or aluminium?
When ...............?
Why................?
How much........... :shock: ?

I'm really just interested to get the low down on what you do, and what you dont need. I can then decipher everyone's input, sleep on it, put all the idea's in a hat and pick one out - job done 8)

Thank in advance

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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby Andrew G » Tue May 27, 2008 11:06 pm

Does weight matter much?
[color=#400080]I don't think so, none are that heavy as there is no heavy gear stuff bolted on.[/color]
What gear is best suited to someone like myself (easy on the jokes guys :wink: )
[color=#400080]Trial and error. You can change easily. I've got a 48 chainring on my Pearson which gives a reasonable selection for me including for road use. You may want to get a bigger one so you can use a bigger sprocket for your track gear as you get a smoother chain run without using a small sprocket. With my 48 I can use 15 or 16 on the back for an 86" or 81" gear - these are probably the best for me on Herne Hill although I need to get down for a few sessions to test, I've done 10s on 86" though and it seems to suit me. I also run either 18 or 19 at the back for 72" or 69" for road riding. Speaking of which it is worth getting a bike with a drilled front fork so you can fit a brake. Then you can either fit a little BMX lever to ride to the track, or switch the bars out to a set with hoods and levers for winter riding. Easy and cheap to do and have a multi purpose bike. I've got a whole range of sprockets as they aren't exensive - for example Dura Ace 1/8th ones are about £12.[/color]
Steel or aluminium?
[color=#400080]I'd go Aluminium. Steel for style and retro but Alu is stiffer and lighter. If buying new then some good deals will be available on Alu frames (GBs used to do a Fort one at a good price, don't know if they still do but Fort still make frames so you might be able to google for a dealer to check prices). Steel would be most second hand from 60s and 70s. These used to be a great buy but since a load of people have gone "courier chic" :roll: then they are selling on ebay at stupidly over inflated prices for anything with track ends.[/color]
When ...............?
[color=#400080]I'd do some sessions and races on the HH Fuji bikes to check you really want it. If you're on a budget then the Fuji ones are quite good I think.[/color]
Why................?
[color=#400080]Just track or for the road as well? If road then you want a drilled fork for a front brake. Will you ride a lot in winter on it? If so then one with larger clearances for full guards is a benefit. May not be as fully focused on the track but where will you use it most? I'll use my Pearson Touche in the track yet it has a longer wheelbase to make it more comfortable on the road. Realistically it's not going to make a huge difference for me so I won't lose out that much. Pretty much most 60s 70s steel frames will have larger clearance for guards anyway as they are from the time when people had one bike and did everything with it. A true track bike will have a very tight clearance for the wheels and no space for mudguards.[/color]
How much........... :shock: ?
[color=#400080]Find the one you want and then add the price on to what you're charging Huw, Michelle etc :D .
I think you can buy a good alu frame and carbon fork new for about £350-£400, a set of standard wheels are £120 from Pearson's. A reasonable/good alu one can probably be got for about £550-650 depending on what kit you have on it.[/color]
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby Dombo » Wed May 28, 2008 7:47 am

GBs have a nice Bianchi Pista in the window. Got good write ups in C+. About £450 I think.
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby huw williams » Wed May 28, 2008 10:46 am

Steve
I got my Bianchi Pista in GBs and with the ACC discount it worked out at £350 - excellent value entry level bike if like me you ain't gonna use it too often

If you are going to race a lot you'll need something better

The thing with gears is you'll end up with a few different sprockets cos the demands of Manchester are completely different to those of Calshot - the sprockets are quickly interchangeable and there's a whole subculture devoted to the subject - you thought power talk was boring? wait til you meet this lot :D
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby Phil L » Wed May 28, 2008 12:54 pm

And don't forget to saw your handle bars down to something ridiculously narrow, grow a goaty beard, plat your hair, wear long camaflarge shorts over black tights, and wear your cool shades on your head - and you will be the bees knees in Central London :lol:
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby Andrew G » Wed May 28, 2008 1:31 pm

[quote]the sprockets are quickly interchangeable

Don't bother with any fancy tools some shops may try and sell you either, you only need a small flat bladed screwdriver and everybodies favourite - a hammer. They work much better :D .

Pearson's are doing a new fixed based on the Touche but a steel frame. You can also buy just the frame and forks there, although you'll need to buy some wheels it may work out doing that way if you have spare bars, stem, seatpin, saddle, pedals knocking about at home.

The Bianchi deal looks a fantastic bargain though.
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Wed May 28, 2008 2:15 pm

[quote="Phil L"]And don't forget to saw your handle bars down to something ridiculously narrow, grow a goaty beard, plat your hair, wear long camaflarge shorts over black tights, and wear your cool shades on your head - and you will be the bees knees in Central London :lol:


But whatever you do, don't fit a front brake, you lose all street cred then :D
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Wed May 28, 2008 2:17 pm

[quote="Andrew G"][quote]the sprockets are quickly interchangeable

Don't bother with any fancy tools some shops may try and sell you either, you only need a small flat bladed screwdriver and everybodies favourite - a hammer. They work much better :D .


Straight out of the Jeremy Clarkson school then.....
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Wed May 28, 2008 2:22 pm

[quote="huw williams"]
The thing with gears is you'll end up with a few different sprockets cos the demands of Manchester are completely different to those of Calshot - the sprockets are quickly interchangeable and there's a whole subculture devoted to the subject - you thought power talk was boring? wait til you meet this lot :D


Steve you don't want to bother with a 48 ring - you're a sprinter and you'll need bigger gears than an 86.4" and more of a selection so that you can gear up a couple of inches to 50 * 15 or 90" when the wind's behind you and down to a 49 or even 51 * 16........Huw - don't know what you mean.......bored yet?

My advice Steve - try out at Herne Hill on one of their bikes and see what works for you first.
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby Steve B » Wed May 28, 2008 9:42 pm

Thanks guys, does this mean I might end up being more boring than I already am - perish the thought :shock: Do I have to start talking to people about inches now?

Ok, now where's that hat :wink:

Probably will go for a specific track bike, as that leaves me a chance to buy yet another bike at a later date if I want to ride fixed on the road 8)

Is the set up the same for track and road? ie height of saddle, stem length, saddle to handlebar etc, or is it a different animal altogether?

Do wheels play as much part on the track as they seem a fair bit cheaper? That seems such a dumb question :?

Sorry for all the questions

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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby Andrew G » Wed May 28, 2008 9:53 pm

[quote]Is the set up the same for track and road? ie height of saddle, stem length, saddle to handlebar etc, or is it a different animal altogether?

Do wheels play as much part on the track as they seem a fair bit cheaper? That seems such a dumb question :?

First bit - for me yes I keep it the same, position only changes for me on a TT bike where tri-bars change it.
2nd bit, the ones I mentioned are standard box section Amobrosio rims on Ambrosio flip flop hub - nice solid strong handbuilt wheels. Yes better wheels will be better. They must be track wheels though with track axles and nuts, no quick releases. Won't necessarily have a braking surface for obvious reasons, those that do can be used on the road too. [url=http://www.parker-international.co.uk/SearchResults/mcs/txtSearch/wheels/brand/Navigator/category/0/catname/--%20Category%20--/]These[/url] do ya? :D Navigator also do/did the deep rim ones as an alu rim track wheel for about £150 - very nice looking.
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Re: Track Bike advice

Postby Steve B » Wed May 28, 2008 10:21 pm

Thanks Andrew :D

Yeah, nice wheels - mmm nice price too :wink:
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