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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby -Adam- » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:26 pm

And i'll join you on that note Grahame.

What do BC do for anyone who isn't part of the Talent Team, Olympic Development Plan/World Class Performance Plan or the Academy over in Italy?

Oh, and they told England's only rider potentially capable of winning the Tour to ride the track or bugger off. He didn't want to, consequently he's now Irish. So good old Ireland get to win the Tour... again.

What planet are they on!?
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby Toks » Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:57 pm

[quote="Grahame"]:twisted:
[quote="Mark Cavendish"]If this was a crashing fall to earth, worse was to follow. Cavendish borrowed a medal from one of his team-mates only to be stopped at check-in by a stewardess with polite words to the effect of: 'My boyfriend follows cycling and I know you didn't win that.'

So, he is prepared to cheat and lie to get what he wants. Not such a great example? :twisted:
booo!! [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man]Straw man[/url] argument :D
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby Grahame » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:11 pm

No misrepresentation at all.

I reported the facts.

Fact:
He didn't win a medal at the olympics.
Fact:
Medal winners were given Club class or First Class seats back from the olympics, other athletes were seated in Premium Economy.
Fact:
Cavendish borrowed a medal to pass himself off as a medal winner and get an upgrade he hadn't "earned" according to the rules.
Fact/conclusion:
He attempted to cheat the system and he got caught.

Where's the misrepresentation or the straw man?
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby Chris L » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:24 pm

I read this article in Sundays Observer sport and thought what has Cavendish got to be pissed off about, IMO his performance in the Giro and Tour was easily the best cycling acheivemnt of the year or as OS realised individual sporting acheivemant of the year. I can't wait to see what he does next year. I thought he was crazy to leave the tour for the olympics. I don't know about being about the forgotten man I still remember watching one of his stage wins in a French bar the cheek and audaucity of the way he won it made me proud to be British. If he doesn't get caught up in all the post olympics cycling hype maybe it is for the best. As far as the BA and the medal business he seems to have a bit of attitude which maybe the great sprinters need. For the Giro and Tdf stage wins he should have been up with the pilots, if my other half had a chance to get his autograph and knocked him back instead I would be ashamed to be a cycling fan.
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby Toks » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:34 pm

[quote="Grahame"]No misrepresentation at all.
Where's the misrepresentation or the straw man?
I'm not gonna go down this road with you Grahame even though it would be a bit of fun since ironically I'm watching track racing on Eurossport. The definition is crystal clear, read it again. So here's the question. Does Mark Cavendish cheat to get what he wants? If we say 'yes' then what proof do we have on all the cheating he has done to get what he wants. Its a definite straw man. Now I'm gonna shut up before I get told off again :lol: :D
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby -Adam- » Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:37 pm

[quote="Chris L"]I thought he was crazy to leave the tour for the olympics.


I think there was more to it than that, he was looking very very tired by the time he pulled out. Remember how young he is, and how much of a climber he is not. He could have made it to Paris, but I doubt he would have been in much of a state to think about the Champs Elysees. The Olympics were just a convenient excuse to leave while he could still walk!
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby kieran » Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:36 pm

well, I liked this bit the best:

[quote]if you look at numbers, apart from the sprint test, I'm really, really pathetic,' he says. 'The year I was world champion for the first time [2005], I wouldn't have qualified for the under-16 programme on the lab tests.'


so hope for me yet :lol: :wink:
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby mrP(Boonen)VT » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:04 pm

[quote="kieran"]well, I liked this bit the best:

[quote]if you look at numbers, apart from the sprint test, I'm really, really pathetic,' he says. 'The year I was world champion for the first time [2005], I wouldn't have qualified for the under-16 programme on the lab tests.'


so hope for me yet :lol: :wink:


What? you under 16????? :shock: :shock:
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Re: Cavendish tells it like it is

Postby adrian » Wed Nov 26, 2008 3:50 pm

[quote]Medal winners were given Club class or First Class seats back from the olympics, other athletes were seated in Premium Economy.

I found this detail more than a little distasteful. It reminded me of the Alec Baldwin scene (recently referred to on this forum) in Glengarry Glen Ross:

"Put the coffee down. That coffee's for closers."

Rewarding medal winners in this way suggests that non-medal winners have failed and are somehow in disgrace. So much for the Olympic spirit!
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