Club Time Trial Series??

[Snoop Doug]

Adam - I'm with Ant. He likes RR, I like TT. He don't like TT, I don't like RR. Y'see - scientific proof of the difference

[Andrew G]

Really, yes pretty sure. No not dual carriageways but only because there weren't any then. One of the main reasons they are on DCs now is that the need to avoid new junctions/traffic lights etc. Also to do them on road racing courses inconveniences a lot more people (local residents).

A side wind is a side wind both ways on a DC course, a tail wind one way is a head wind the other. On a road race circuit loop it is rarer to get equal sides to the loop so you could have a greater wind effect in more conditions. Do you trip over volunteers for marshaling? Sporting courses tend to need more due to the junctions as well.

As for being antiquated there are God knows how many people every weekend competing in TTs every weekend, and have done for the last 60+ years. There will still be plenty doing it this year and in future years. The average age of competitors? Yes there are a lot of vets who do TTs but that is largely due to the fact that a vet is only 40 years old. You seem to forget that that it is an amateur sport and that people have other commitments. Most of the TTers are probably in their 40s (so hardly old men) and have returned after a break to start families, bring up children, or due to career reasons. A TT will also allow people to continue to race and still be home to spend time with their family at the weekend, that is part of their appeal to many people. They may also want to road race but can't afford, or want to, leave their home/family commitments for half a day at a time.

To be honest I find your attitude to this, even if only for argumental purposes, somewhat odd. Why should you want to dissuade people from competing in a form of cycle sport? People argue that sporting courses are better for younger riders or children to TT on as it is safer than on DCs. This is often not actually the case due to the poor road surfaces, blind bends, and more unpredictable behaviour of drivers on these roads than DCs where the traffic flow is very predictable and there is plenty of space for overtaking.

[-Adam-]

I'm just trying to put forward what is not an uncommon view of TTing outside of the regular TT circles.

I fully accept that some people may actually enjoy riding up and down a dual carriage way, and that obviously, as most of us do, have other commitments (like degrees!). Thats not to say people cant take it seriously is it? Just don't come to me bragging about averaging 30mph on a flat dc course with plenty of traffic to draft!

I'm not trying to disuade people at all. I'm just stating a view which I am not alone in holding.

[Paul H]

I shall give TTing a go this year. My problem with TTing is the start times and dont know if will be able to handle it. Also the paperwork is a bit overkill as well.

[quote]Just don't come to me bragging about averaging 30mph on a flat dc course with plenty of traffic to draft!

[-Adam-]

Dave doesn't race Chertsey

[Snoop Doug]

[quote="Paul H"]I shall give TTing a go this year. My problem with TTing is the start times and dont know if will be able to handle it. Also the paperwork is a bit overkill as well.

[mrP(Boonen)VT]

[quote="Snoop Doug"]
PS - SCCU Open 10 gets a point for the Rawson Shield Usually held towards end May

[Andrew G]

[quote="-Adam-"]Just don't come to me bragging about averaging 30mph on a flat dc course with plenty of traffic to draft!

[quote="Snoop Doug"]Jon - your comment I don't understand sorry but I'm wearing me dunce's cap today.

[quote="Andrew G"][quote="-Adam-"]Just don't come to me bragging about averaging 30mph on a flat dc course with plenty of traffic to draft!

Ok, well as the establishment has slapped me down, i'll shut up.

Snoop, I'll be on my bike training again sunday morning for 6 hours, plus I'm driving, so you boys go for your drinking comp without me!

[quote="Andrew G"][quote="-Adam-"]Just don't come to me bragging about averaging 30mph on a flat dc course with plenty of traffic to draft!

[Dominic]

[quote="-Adam-"]RR is for everyone too, it just doesn't get promoted as readily as TT, because a lot of clubs are stuck in a time warp. Perhaps the CTT wish to maintain the elder nature of its membership by continuing to endorse boring courses. It doesn't take a genius to see that this is hardly a sustainable position...

[-Adam-]

Thank God!

Some one finally understands a comment of mine.

[Paul H]

[quote]I'll happily give you a hand Paul. You'll handle it, you're fit enough that you can catch the man in front that'll help keep you motivated methinks. What distance(s) d'you fancy? Paperwork is a doddle (particularly if you've never TTd before) and if you go for a TT with a few ACC in it I reckon we could sort a lift out.