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Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby Toks » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:19 pm

Hi guys, just an observaton. Before I start I think the roation thing is very good and should not change. However I would ask that we all be a bit more considerate with 'rotation at the front' requests. Why? well some people may have moved up a group (e.g.17s to 19s) and are just managing to handle the increased pace. All it then takes is a few obligatory rotations at the front and the next surge on a draggy sections leaves the latest 'group newbie' off the back. This as you can imagine is a bit demoralising. :( For the third time in two weeks someone mentioned to me that they were dropped only (they felt) because they had to continually take a turn on the front.

Here's my advice to anyone thats moved up a group. Don't feel that you have to take a turn on the front especially if you don't feel fit enough to do some 'wind catching'. Simply let the people in your group know that you'll be 'sitting in' and let a stronger person replace you in the rotation line. Once of course you feel fairly comfortable with the groups pace then its only fair to other (plus it makes you fitter) to share the work load. Cheers Toks :D
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Re: Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby kieran » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:40 am

indeed Toks is right, no shame, and it keeps the group moving at a steady pace. Whenever I venture out with the training group I often hang at the back as doing a pull on the front only seems to slow Keith et al down, and they soon over take to keep the speed up.
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Re: Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby Sylv » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:43 am

Hey even the pros do it - look at the lead group all watching Cancellara pull them in the closing stages yesterday :lol:
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Re: Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby Dombo » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:40 am

there's hope for me, then.
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Re: Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby Amy » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:45 pm

That's why we encourage people to call a quick or double rotation so that they can get off the front as soon as possible - rather than interrupt the flow of the group.
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Re: Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby Jon H » Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:27 pm

[quote="Toks"]and the next surge on a draggy sections leaves the latest 'group newbie' off the back.

If the idea is to ride as a group then there should be no surge on draggy sections. If anything the effort should ease off so the weaker members of the group do not get dropped.
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Re: Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby Toks » Mon Sep 28, 2009 3:54 pm

[quote="Amy"]That's why we encourage people to call a quick or double rotation so that they can get off the front as soon as possible - rather than interrupt the flow of the group.
Er... that may well be the case Amy. But the effort of a few rotations and trying to keep up on the hills is enough to see some weaker group members fall off. Back when I first joined the 17s (2004 :shock: ) there's no way I could've took part in a rotation for the first 3-4 weeks. I guess sometimes we forget that we too were group newbies :wink: ... By the way it was good to see you in the 19s. 8) 8) How did it go? I firmly believe too many long plodding paced rides just make you a long plodding paced rider. :(
[quote="Jon"]If the idea is to ride as a group then there should be no surge on draggy sections. If anything the effort should ease off so the weaker members of the group do not get dropped.
I agree 100% Jon but once there's an incline some people just can't help themselves. :shock: In the last 17s group on saturday the pace hit 19mph on the A23 drag after CSS and I had to shout "easy" to the very excitable guy in the US Postal top doing the pulling at the front.
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Re: Club runs and the rotation thing

Postby Amy » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:14 pm

[quote="Toks"][quote="Amy"]That's why we encourage people to call a quick or double rotation so that they can get off the front as soon as possible - rather than interrupt the flow of the group.
Er... that may well be the case Amy. But the effort of a few rotations and trying to keep up on the hills is enough to see some weaker group members fall off. Back when I first joined the 17s (2004 :shock: ) there's no way I could've took part in a rotation for the first 3-4 weeks. I guess sometimes we forget that we too were group newbies :wink: ...


Toks, as VC I've never knowingly left someone behind - it's part of why the ACC is such a popular club and just part of the ACC code of conduct I subscribe to: as a club, we do, on the whole, make sure everyone gets to Charlwood and back. If people are being left behind, then someone in the rest of the group should let the VC or leader(s) know. If the group is too fast for everyone then either the group needs to be reined back or someone volunteers to stay with the person who can't keep up and ensure they get to the cafe/CSS.

Which brings me back to the ACC code of conduct - EVERYONE in the group, on the club run, is responsible for the smooth running, safety and enjoyment of that group and club run.

[quote="Toks"]Jon wrote:
If the idea is to ride as a group then there should be no surge on draggy sections. If anything the effort should ease off so the weaker members of the group do not get dropped.I agree 100% Jon but once there's an incline some people just can't help themselves. In the last 17s group on saturday the pace hit 19mph on the A23 drag after CSS and I had to shout "easy" to the very excitable guy in the US Postal top doing the pulling at the front.


Toks, are you a VC yet? You do have to gauge a group and its abilities in order to ensure it is an enjoyable experience for all and maybe encourage some to try the next group up. Or was the US Postal guy just going too fast for you :lol:

Hopefully, none of the above will get me shot...

PS I don't think I ever got near the front of the group on Saturday - I don't think I even had a chance, thankfully...
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