Floyd Landis?

[-Adam-]

Now then, what with this recent talk of a warrant for Floyds arrest in connection with compute hacking, I have been thinking...

Of all the high profile doping cases, there is something about the Landis case that just doesn't sit right with me.

I am leaning towards genuinely believing that he was set up. Now I haven't read the countless pages of evidence for and against, but I just think that there is something not right about it all. If just one doping case from the last 20 years were to turn out to be a set up, it would have to be this one, right?

I mean surely? Getting done for a drug that needs to be taken over a long period to affect performance, so why'd he take it the night before a one off epic performance? It just doesn't stack up for me.

Thoughts?

[Toks]

Is it niave to believe he didn't cheat? - yeah probably. Following Miller, Hamilton and a host of other high profile drugs cheats its now a case of positive test and you're guilty in the eyes of nearly everyone not just the administrators. I'd like to believe thats not the case with Landis but...anyway turning to things domestically whats going on with Elites and 1st cats? An interesting little thread on veloriders. Good luck in the Seven Bridge Race
http://www.veloriders.co.uk/phpBB2/view ... hp?t=90293

[Elliot M]

[quote="-Adam-"]...I just think that there is something not right about it all... It just doesn't stack up for me.

[Ben]

It's worth reading Robin Parisotto - Blood Sports. If you haven't already. I have a copy.

He covers the main areas i.e how to use medical exemptions and all the other tricks of trade etc. He also goes into the politics. All of which Marco has probably covered at some stage.

[Ben]

I forgot to add one of the rumours, at the time, was they reckon he was blood doping but used blood, from the offseason, when he was alleged to be taking testosterone.

[-Adam-]

Ben, who is Robin Parisotto and why should I value a book written by him?

Marco, please can you explain to me how testosterone aids recovery?

[Robh]

[quote="-Adam-"]Ben, who is Robin Parisotto and why should I value a book written by him?

Marco, please can you explain to me how testosterone aids recovery?

[Phil H]

The main way that testosterone aids speed in cycling is that it reduces the need to stop and ask directions. Or something about muscle building.

I also heard the story that Landis was accidentally infused with his own blood from off-season when he had been doping with testosterone. And then there was the Kelly incident where he allegedly got a mechanic to donate for a urine test. Unfortunately the mechanic had been taking amphetamines.

[Paul H]

I guess he did dope but I find it hard to understand why Landis would take a drug which would have minimal impact to his performance, he knew was detectable and then go for a stage win knowing that he will be tested.

Why is the lab upset about someone hacking their system if they have nothing to hide and they seemed happy to let someone leaked LAs results.

[-Adam-]

Vino admitted it after though, right?

My understanding of testosterone is that it needs to be taken over a long period of time in order to stimulate muscle growth. So why would he have taken it once?

[Dombo]

[quote="marco"]Im guessing ....

[Snoop Doug]

Floyd - Guilty!

Of overcomplicated guitar solos and general twiddlededee boredom that is

[Ben]

You’d have to make that judgement but if you want to borrow happy to lend it.
Interesting points to me from the book, in reference to this thread, is how Phonak, upset the authorities i.e UCI, IOC , WADA with all the problems in 2004 aka Hamilton , Perez plus others.
Secondly he raises valid points about Human Growth Hormone, i.e no study has concluded that Hgh actually helps elite male athletics of a given age, yet it’s on the banned list.

[-Adam-]

So why'd it turn up in his test result? Surely your uber sceptical mind must smell at least the wiff of a rat there, Marco?

[-Adam-]

Marco, do you actually think any pro is clean?