by Juerg FaCT » Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:34 am
Great discussion , and I like te comparison from the swiss sun and the spanish sun.
In both cases , if you go and stay too often and too long in the sun you have a perfect example of an functional reaction going wrong , due to an overload. You get red , blister and burn.
If you do a proper (recovery) in between you may have a chance to get some functional reaction, which go in the good direction and you may have a protection the next time.
Same with workouts as Paul explains. If you are adapted to 200 watts you have to go higherintensities.
Question is :
Do you adapt to 200 watt or do you adapta certain systems to be able to push 200 watt.
I can prodcuce 200 watt for different lengthof time and with different physiological systems involved.
This is exactly the point , why 200 watt is not an optimal way of using intensities. (better why watt is not a good way of using intensities.
I will sebt some newest research info to show that nicely.
Simple example. I can push 200 watt by using mainly STF fibres. or By using mainly FTF fiberes.
Or by using amixture.
I can push 200 wattas by breathing a very slow RR or a very fast.
I can push 200 watt with a very high RPM or a very low RPM
Now what is the point here.
200 watt with a low RPM will stimulate different organ systems , compared with high RPM In both cases it is 200 watt, but the outcome of the workout in functional, and if done properly in structural information and results will be very different.
Wecan show nicely , that a change in TV (Tidal volume ) at a given watt level will change the way you useenergy due tothe change in O2 transportation.
Check in the Que CERA CERA forum, and think , why this works so well. Will be a nice discussion where you can see , taht achange in O2 supply will imediatly change the wattage output. Well if 200 watt or what ever watt your zone is hasnothing to do with ophysiological reaction the CERAand any other O2 supply help would do nill.
To Pauls concern , that every body will now go slow.
This is avery good point , and as so often people fall from one extreme tothe other. That's where the FaCT testing comes in . We push very hard as well as soon weseethe trend in the performance line is drifting in specific area.I am sure we will come back tothat over the wiinter.
How often and how long slow . Well , as long you see positive reactions in the test result you keep going.
Once you reach a certain brown skin after sun tanning you may not change anymore.
I think we have to watch, that we stay foccused on discussiong pro and cons on fast and slow and not trying to defend our own beliefes, as this is what often happens. Wattage workouts have a very good place in cycling or in any sport where we can objectively assess perfomance and the optimal idea wouldbe tocombine wattageand physiological info to create the optimal individual training approach.
We use in our camps wattage trainersand watt druing rides , so the groups resp. the people can choose where to go and know what the stress.
Example ": we have 10 groups:
group 1 with a wattage intensity of 150 group 2 170 group 3 190 and so on. The group guide will have a SRM or any wattage device.
The client has a FaCT test.
So if he plans to do a STF workout he can take his test and seehe ratio watt / bodyweight.
Let's say STF middle zone is ratio 2.o and he is 75 kg heavy and he likes to ride today a STF intensity in a group he will go group 150 if he likes to ride in front with the guide or hemay go 170 - 190 if he stayes in the group draft and thereis a flat training ride.If it is amountain pass, than hemay go 150 watt.
This way you can work ot with different people.
The ride may be 150 km with a stp by 50 and 100 km and a bus.
So a weaker client may like to do a FF abive LBP ride ratio for him 3.0and 50 kg heavy . So he has by a 150 watt aworkout for his FTF and will go in the bus by 50 km , if he can see , that certain biomarker tell him you have now overloaded and the goal is reached you stress the target FTF fibres and you now need a recovery time. The other client with ratio 2.0 and STF goal willride the 100 km re-assessthe biomarkerand will quit or will finish, depending on his goals and the plan for the upcoming days.
Summary : !50 watt isnot always thesame inetnsity even tough it is always 150 watt. Depending on your physiologica goals you can stress by the same wattage different systems. This is the weak part of watt as it is only a physical info, and a physiological system can change the way we produce this physical performance. Exception: Allout , where youhave nochoiuce, but relay onall systems to try at least to support this incredible effort.
Once you go slower you have alwasy so0me space for playing with different system and therefor "manipulating " different outcomes.
It may sound very crazy, but a few years back peoplewould argue , that you can't "manipulate the breathing. Today we know it is avery nice way ofchangeing certain physiological reactions.
We are justnow herin Calgary testing the possibility to whether wecan even "manipulate" certain cardic reactions like Strokevolume and EDV with different RPMand musvcletensions as well as with breathing.
Some of this research is now already on the FaCT Forum under Physioflow and last but not least:
The list from PH.D Coggan is multiple discussed in our Forum so read theresome critical and positive views on this topics. Juerg Sorry typos but it is dark here and I jsut arrived from the airport and I am getting ready for a workout . Short and intenses smile